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Author Topic:   Gay marraige and the end of the world
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 156 of 195 (279951)
01-18-2006 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by riVeRraT
01-18-2006 10:31 PM


off topic
No. I have always wanted kids, just like brenna was always gay.,
i'm not gay. I'M A GIRL.
and i'm quite offended that you have decided to start ignoring me since i'm gay and thus not worthy of listening to. or something.
I find your attitude pretty shitty, and I see a break down in the way you behave. I am disappointed, I am starting to lose respect.
and i in you.
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Message 165 of 195 (281480)
01-25-2006 10:15 AM
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01-25-2006 8:22 AM


Re: OFF TOPIC
could you at least wait for rr to figure out that i'm a chick before you close it?

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Message 166 of 195 (281481)
01-25-2006 10:17 AM
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01-25-2006 7:59 AM


Re: off topic
I will answer all you posts.
i sure hope you read them all. thank you for your courtesy and i apologize -in advance of your reading all of my posts- for having a bit of fun at your expense. i hope you understand.

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Message 172 of 195 (281720)
01-26-2006 9:55 AM
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01-26-2006 8:40 AM


Re: History
About this quote. Do you think that it is fair that you place that responsibility on me?
In other words you are telling me, that if I support same sex marriage, more people will come to know the Lord?
it is not he who put the responsibility on you, but jesus.
Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
if you choose to take that pledge, then it is your dute immaterial of the lifestyle, orientation, personality, whatever of the people around you.
when jesus was on earth, he hung out with the most wretched people in society. those who had been outcast. perhaps they had chosen their behaviors, perhaps they had not. immaterial. jesus went to them first and loved them and made them whole and respected them. we are not god's chosen judges. we are merely people trying to do right. select what you think is right for your life. it is the best you can do. then, love your neighbor and your enemy as yourself. do you allow yourself to marry the one you love? then allow your neighbor. if god should select that this person has sinned, then let him judge the marriage in his own time. it is for us only to love. god doesn't need executioners, he's quite good at it himself.
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More direct assessment techniques to assess gender identity have been used by Golombok, Spencer, and Rutter (1983) with the same result; all children in this study reported that they were happy with their gender, and that they had no wish to be a member of the opposite sex. There was no evidence in any of the studies of gender identity difficulties among children of lesbian mothers.
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Sex role behavior of children was also assessed by Green and his colleagues (1986). In interviews with the children, no differences between 56 children of lesbian and 48 children of heterosexual mothers were found with respect to favorite television programs, favorite television characters, or favorite games or toys.
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In all studies, the great majority of offspring of both gay fathers and lesbian mothers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents.
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Bailey, J.M., Bobrow, D., Wolfe, M., & Mikach, S. (1995). Sexual orientation of adult sons of gay fathers. Developmental Psychology, 31, 124-129.
Reports the result of a study of 55 gay or bisexual men who had a total of 82 sons at least 17 years of age. The fathers were recruited through advertisements in gay publications. Eighty-nine percent of the fathers identified themselves as gay. The rest identified themselves as bisexual. More than 90% of the sons whose sexual orientation could be rated were heterosexual. The sexual orientation of the sons was not positively correlated with the amount of time the sons lived with their fathers. The authors conclude that the available evidence fails to provide empirical grounds for denying child custody to lesbian and gay parents because of concern about the effect on the child's sexual orientation.
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Bigner, J.J., & Jacobsen, R.B. (1989). Parenting behaviors of homosexual and heterosexual fathers. Journal of Homosexuality, 18(1/2), 173-186.
An empirical study of the differences and similarities between 33 gay fathers and 33 nongay fathers as reflected in their responses to the Iowa Parent Behavior Inventory. Fathers of both types were quite similar on degree of involvement and level of intimacy with children. Gay fathers were generally more strict, but were also more responsive, and took more care in socializing their children than their nongay counterparts.
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Flaks, D. K., Ficher I., Masterpasqua, F., & Joseph, G. (1995). Lesbians choosing motherhood. A comparative study of lesbian and heterosexual parents and their children. Developmental Psychology, 31, 105-114..
Compares a group of 15 White lesbian couples living together with their 3-9 year old children born to them through artificial insemination with a matched sample of heterosexual parents and their children. A variety of assessment measures including the Child Behavior Checklist, Teacher's Report Form, the Spanier Dyadic Adjustment Scale, the Parent Awareness Skills Survey and either the WPPSI-R or WISC-R were used to measure the children's cognitive functioning and behavioral adjustment as well as the parents' relationship and parenting skills. Results revealed no significant differences between the two groups of children. Both groups of parents showed similar dyadic adjustment. However, the lesbian couples exhibited more parenting awareness skills than did the heterosexual couples.
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Golombok, S., Spencer, A., & Rutter, M. (1983). Children in lesbian and single-parent households: Psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 24, 551-572.
Compares aspects of child development in 27 lesbian households with a total of 37 children (aged 5-17 years) and 27 heterosexual single-parent households with a total of 38 children (aged 15-17 years). Data were gathered through systematic standardized interviews with mothers and children and through parent and teacher questionnaires. Ratings of the children's psychosexual and psychiatric status were done "blind" to family circumstances. Results indicated no differences between the children of lesbian and heterosexual mothers in gender identity or sex-role behavior. There was no evidence of inappropriate gender identity among the children of lesbian mothers, and age and developmentally appropriate friendships and good peer relationships were observed in both groups. Psychiatric problems among the children were infrequent in both groups but proportionately higher in the heterosexual single-parent group.
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Green, R. (1978). Sexual identity of 37 children raised by homosexual or transsexual parents. American Journal of Psychiatry, 135, 692-697.
Thirty-seven subjects aged 3-20 years were either raised by lesbian women (21) or by transsexuals (16). Subjects had lived in these households from 1-16 years, with a mean time of 4.9 years. All but one subject indicated that toys, games, clothing, and gender of peers were typical for their gender. Thirteen older subjects indicated erotic fantasies or sexual behaviors, and all these subjects were heterosexual in orientation.
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Green R. (1982). The best interests of the child with a lesbian mother. Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, 10, 7-15.
Reviews theoretical models and empirical data concerning whether a homosexual parent or two homosexual individuals in parenting roles increases the chance that children will have a homosexual orientation. Also describes court evaluations of adults and children in lesbian custody cases. Fifty-eight children (aged 3-11 years) being raised by lesbian mothers were compared with 43 demographically matched children of divorced heterosexual mothers. Evaluation instruments included the Draw-A-Person test, questions regarding sex-typed activities, and future plans. There were no significant differences for boys or girls in either group of families. It is concluded that difficulties experienced by children in lesbian mother households stem from reactions to divorce and not from the mother's lesbianism.
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Green, R., Mandel, J. B., Hotvedt, M. E., Gray, J., & Smith, L. (1986). Lesbian mothers and their children: A comparison with solo parent heterosexual mothers and their children. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 15, 167-184.
Assesses psychosexual and psychosocial development of 56 children living with lesbian mothers and 48 children of heterosexual mothers. Groups were matched on mothers' age, race, education and income and on number, age, sex of children, and time since separation from father. Data were collected via questionnaires, audiotaped interviews, and standardized tests. Results revealed no differences between the two groups of children in IQ, self-concept, or social adjustment. There was no evidence of conflict in gender identity in the children of lesbian mothers and no psychopathology related to the mother's sexual orientation. Daughters of lesbians preferred traditionally masculine job roles significantly more often than the daughters of heterosexual mothers and were less traditionally feminine in current dress and in activity preferences at school and at home, but these differences were not beyond the normal range. No difference was found for boys, with 95% of both groups choosing traditionally masculine jobs.
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Harris, M. B., & Turner, P. H. (1985). Gay and lesbian parents. Journal of Homosexuality, 12, 101-113.
Surveys a small, nonrandom sample of 23 gay and lesbian parents (aged 29-53 years) and 16 heterosexual single parents (aged 19-47 years) concerning relationships with their children. Subjects were all White and highly educated. Parents in all three groups reported positive relationships with their children and few serious problems. Among the differences reported were that heterosexual parents made more efforts to provide an opposite-sex role model for their children. Further, lesbians perceived greater benefits to their children relating to their homosexuality than gay men, while gay men reported fewer disagreements with partners over discipline, more encouragement of play with sex-typed toys, and more satisfaction with their first child than lesbians.
you can read the rest yourself. many of these are statistically handicapped by the selection process and not generalizable. many of these are also restricted by timeline as some only watched early childhood and some late. but these are normal restrictions.
so not only are gays and lesbians not bad parents who turn their kids gay, they are often better parents because they agree and are consistent with methods of raising the children and it was heterosexual parents who went out of their way to demonstrate a sex role. there are tons more.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 177 of 195 (283241)
02-01-2006 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by riVeRraT
01-26-2006 8:30 AM


Re: i hope you're not serious rr
Makes no difference to me, she is sticking up for gay marriage, and we are just discussing it.
well clearly it does make a difference to you since you used something i said to prove your point which was mistaken. it doesn't really matter outside of the fact that by misrepresenting me you misrepresent everything i say.
and you still haven't responded to my explanation of how same-sex attraction works which you have ask for so many times and ignored.
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Message 181 of 195 (283260)
02-01-2006 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by riVeRraT
02-01-2006 5:57 PM


Re: History
And you say your not gay?
no i am not gay. i simply happen to have fallen in love with a woman.

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Message 183 of 195 (283372)
02-02-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by riVeRraT
02-02-2006 7:50 AM


Re: History
not particularly. but being sexually attracted to one person does not make you gay.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 185 of 195 (283435)
02-02-2006 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by riVeRraT
02-02-2006 12:42 PM


Re: History
certainly not falling in love with one person.
i have dated seven guys. slept with two. been interesting in. oh hundreds. i've fallen in love with one girl and had sex with none.
i'd say i'm pretty straight. i have an 'orientation' to members of the opposite sex. more specifically. i don't even have many female friends. i don't even like women. they're bitchy and cruel and selfish and awful and gross. and frankly i have come to see that the one i fell in love with is no different. you live, you learn.
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Message 187 of 195 (283600)
02-03-2006 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by riVeRraT
02-03-2006 6:36 AM


Re: History
oh whatever. fuck that.
btw. women are
or woman is.
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 02-03-2006 09:27 AM
abe
i'm the most chauvanistic person you'll ever meet. don't question me when i say something. that's accusing me of lying and i don't appreciate it. if i say something like that, it's because i mean it. now get a new hobby.
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