riVeRraT, msg 12 writes:
I will say this once more. I lie in the middle. I am open minded.
To a degree every one is .... We all have hidden prejudices that we do not see, because of our prejudices eh? I've run into a couple of mine over the years.
Very simply, it is not equal, if were equal then the involved partys would be of opposite sex. There is a clear and distinctive difference.
Why? What make one person significantly different from another due to sex when there can be even wider range differences in beliefs, behavior, temperment, ability, etc within each sex than exists as a measurable difference between them. Is there more genetic difference between sexes than within either sexual group?
msg 18 writes:
Tell me, if 2 woman get divorced, and they had adopted a child together, who is the father?
Whoever was the father before the divorce? False dichotomy, eh?
I am all for civil union, or whatever name you want to give it. But there is a clear difference between the two.
Let's cut to the chase here.
If there is no real {reason\desire\basis} to restrict the legal ramifications of marriage from gay unions, then the
only thing that is being restricted is the definition of the word so that it has a basically religious meaning.
If that is the case (and if this definition is put into place), then there is no possible justification for having any law refer to "marriage" (it would then violate separation of church and state guidelines, as well as coming fully into anti-discrimination restrictions on laws) and thus laws would have to be {re-written\modified\discarded} to strike "marriage" and replace it with "civil union" in all cases.
Personally I think this is a perfectly valid way to go, as many of these laws are archaic in the extreme, biased towards "biology" over ability, care and effort (particularly in child care cases), bizarre in treatment of some people versus others in things from tax to schools to employment benefits to health treatment.
With this position the statement "we are married" then does becomes just like "we are lutheran" or "we are protestant" ...
And this could end up being a "careful what you wish for" proposition for fundies, particularly if they lose certain legal biases in favor of married folks.
Just my thoughts, enjoy.
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