Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)

The war is fought in the South and Nuba mountains. The nature of the war is that government forces or government backed forces target civilians. I think my guess is sound.

Except rand, you only seem to care because you think it is xians getting killed.If it was all islamic you wouldn't be so worried about the death toll.You seem to think that since we don't buy your xian persicution paranoia that no one cares about the deaths in the Sudan. You are wrong, we just don't care about the only reason you seem to.AbE.Error Page - Santa Clara University This message has been edited by Asgara, 01-26-2006 11:42 PM

Asqara, the only reason you think I only care about Christians being killed is the warped view you have of Christians. Heck, I pointed out in the Sudan that animists were being killed too, and provided a link which discusses moderate Muslims being killed, but the point was about insensitivity to Christian persecution world-wide, which in a lot of ways is stoked be the same hate one can see in the hearts and minds of some EVCers.

The hatred isn't of Christianity per se...it is of a particular brand of Christianity that thinks they are better than everyone else, have the only truth, and wish to force that view on others.Disbelief isn't hate, disagreement isn't hate, questioning isn't hate...though things take a turn for the worse every time they are label as hate.This message has been edited by Asgara, 01-26-2006 11:46 PM

You should read the article. There were members from each group on both sides of the issue. It seemed that fundamentalist and/or ultra-nationalist types were the ones wanting to revise history. There were others of those groups who didn't want to revise history.NOW, I would agree that California's reaction was in part due to the "don't offend anyone" culture that I can't stand.

Doesn't sound too much different to me than anti-semistism. That form of hatred produced the Holocaust, and the despising of Christians produces similar slaughters, though less intense usually.In fact, when you look at the communist reasons for persecuting Christianity, they sound pretty much exactly the same as the reasons expressed around here....that it is unscientific, irrational, etc,...

I don't know what you guys are talking about. It is generally a complaint that fundamentalists don't respect other cultures and truths enough, and so multi-culturalists insist that all other cultures, besides Christian Western culture, be accorded with more respect.So it's not fundamentalists doing this. Heck, saying this is fundamentalism is like saying MLK, jr and the civil rights movement was fundies too, since black Christians and preachers led the way.Also, calling these Hindu groups complaining fundamentalists seems way off since they are preaching a liberalized, westernized version of Hinduism. The fact they may be connected to Indian nationalists seems bizzare since India is a nation, but either way, fundamentalism and nationalism are not the same thing.This message has been edited by randman, 01-27-2006 12:54 AM

It's time that, at least here in the US, we began teaching what actually happened. We need to quit revising our own history and begin admitting the absolutely horrible things that the US has done in the past, from Andrew Jackson's blatant refusal to obey the laws of the land, to the stealing and conquest of Hiwaii, to the horrors of United Fruit Company, the conspiricy of major corporatioins that doomed the rail and trolley systems in our urban areas, to the theft of Panama, the governments we've overthrown, the despots we've supported, the terrorists we've trained and the horrific treatment of our Native Americans.We need to realize that if this is a Christian Nation, then it has been responsible for some of the worst genocide in history.Until we can look at our own history and be honest about both the good and the bad, we are fated to continue committing some of the worst attrocities of all time.

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as i said before, it wasn't about your reasons, it was about control, if there is a religion that holds a larger mind-share than yours, and you had the power to destroy it, say like the communists, would you let it exist or would you subvert it and destroy it?

Did you read the article at all?They honestly just sounded like a bunch of nationalist (I would say more than fundamentalist) types trying to take advantage of California's refusal to "insult" anyone.In any case, I don't care who is behind this... left/right/up/down it's wrong and dishonest.It seems like one of those unholy alliances combining the negatives of both the left and the right to me.

I thought you guys said this was a secular nation, not a Christian one. Andrew Jackson was horrible to the Cherokee, many of whom were Christian by the way, and I believe judging by my kids reactions, that schools now teach that fully to kids, and some of the other items you mention such as the United Fruit company's influence and Central America.I truly hope we teach our kids the horrors done that you have listed, although maybe the rail and trolley thing is not a horror per se, and at the same time, I hope we equally teach them of the increble butchery we have encouraged and allowed of our own children resting and growing in the womb.

Nationalism and fundamentalism are not the same thing. In fact, there are fundamentalists that are not nationalist at all.

I'd say there is one already, greed, or maybe not a religion but materialism and many other isms seem to have a stronger grip on people's minds than Christianity. But the only way I advocate destroying them is through volunteer and peaceful means.

No kidding, who ever said they were????Sorry if I was unclear. One could be neither, one or the other or both...I any case some of the groups sounded like nationalists... some sounded like fundies, some sounded like weasels!Like I said, the important thing is that it is wrong, no matter who is behind it.

what is a christian western culture?, we have an american culture do you know what a nationalist is? it is a person who feels thier way of life is the only way, any other way is wrong and should be destroyed, anyone who doesn't like it will be shot