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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
That is an assertion. If God didn't have to come from anyplace (i.e. is eternal), then why couldn't the conditions that give rise to the universe be 'eternal' also, but without the added complication of being sentient, and being concerned about what is happening on the our planet?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, you seem to be making more and more grandiouse claims about God. I mean, the concept that God is beyond Time and Space is not biblical at all. It seems that you are trying to push God further and further out of human experiance. That is not every biblical, since it says "Man is made in god's image". Your vast claims about God make it so that Man and god do not have any commonality.
You can make any claims you want about god. They are not backed up with either scripture or evidence though.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
How do you know that? How do you know that all that matter/energy of the universe just didn't change form, but were already in existance before the inflationary period known as the 'big bang'?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
There really is no such thing as a 'missing link'. All morphology changes are small. If a intermediatry form is found between two species, all you get is two other 'gaps'. The concept of the missing link has been abandoned except for creationists, who do not really understand certain concepts.
Let's use an example. The late era Homo habilus and the early homo erectus is extremely similar.. the early version of homo hablius and the later version of homo erectus have a lot more disimilarities. However,the early forms of Homo Habilus have much more in common with australopithecines, and the later sample of Homo Habilus have much more in common with Homo erectus. Since the appearence of modern man on the scene, the bone structure of modern man has been gradulally becoming much more gracile. The earlierversions are much more robust. (thicker, vs thinner). Yet, although there has been a progressive change over the millenium for the last 200,000 years, we are still considered the same species. Undoubtly, if a few hundred thousand more years, the differences would be enough to consider the earlier versions and the later versions different species.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, since the verb following 'eholhim' in those cases are singular, you have the case of 'Elohim' being a singular with magnification of importance.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The interpretation what that story means does not. There are many different twists on it's meaning, and the Jewish faith does not take the story of genesis to be literal
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
So,who designed the intelligent designer? Or, do you want a special pleading for him?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, that is a load of misinformation.
However, from my observations, you won't accept the correct information anyway.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Except , of course, that is a bad anaology, since the route is a cumlative process.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The correct information is that the methodology you are quoting is bad. When exposing flys to hard radiation, the chances are that many mutations will occur, and any 'good' mutation or 'neutral' mutation will be hidden by the fact there are so many bad mutations.
It's sort of like baking cookies in a 5000 degree oven, and then wondering why they don't turn out very good.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Not quite. Hsrd radiation causes many many mutations, and there are certainly a very good chance that any neutral or beneficial mutations will be mask by the harmful ones. Variation isn't only caused by radiation you know. There is also variation due to the way the DNA splits during the formation of eggs and sperm.
The very many mutations that radiation causes will show enough detrimental effects in such a high percentage of the offspring that the other factor needed for evolution won't have time to occur. That is 'NATURAL SELECTION'. Under normal situations, there are maybe a handful of mostly neutral mutations in an offspring. There then is a 'selection' factor where minor advantages that help survivial/reproduction are 'selected' and minor/major disadvantages to survival/reproduction (in comparison) are filtered out.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The abilty to reproduce. Those mutations that promote the ability of an individual to pass on it's genes to the next generations are 'selected for' over neutral mutations, or mutations that decrease the ability to pass on those genes.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Earlier, it was claimed that with the use of hard radation, flys would ont speciate.
However, through the use of selective breeding in the lab, they WERE able to create two species of flys that could not bread with each other.They would have sterility in the male offspring of the hybrids. From http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
Two strains of Drosophila paulistorum developed hybrid sterility of male offspring between 1958 and 1963. Artificial selection induced strong intra-strain mating preferences.
(Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity.) Dobzhansky, Th., and O. Pavlovsky, 1971. "An experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila", Nature 23:289-292.
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