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Author Topic:   Humanity's Stuggle With Death.
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Message 7 of 104 (280710)
01-22-2006 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
01-14-2006 9:44 PM


Siver bells and cockle shells...
and pretty maids all in a row.
Why would life be worth living without eternity?
  • hearing a baby laugh.
  • the taste of a tomato sandwich made from home baked egg bread and a Better Boy tomato picked fresh from the vine.
  • the smell of a newly cut meadow.
  • the sound a bike's tires make on the road right after a rain.
  • lying on a hilside watching shooting stars.

This struggle invokes feelings like no others, death becomes a benchmark of memory. What can honestly explain this? Why are humans like this? And why are only humans like this? Why do the polar bears not cry? And why do the plants not mourn the death of relatives?
What makes you think only humans are different or special? Many other species show similar traits. Elephants mourn and revere lost ones, many birds mate for life.
Why are we special, and who/what made us like this?
What makes you think we're special?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 17 of 104 (280814)
01-22-2006 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by joshua221
01-22-2006 5:03 PM


and refutation
All of these feelings are then, fleeting?
Nope, they are the things that last.
Are these wonderful feelings that you have described limited to the life we live on earth? Will they someday not be with us?
No one living will ever know.
These fundemental questions form the roots to why I know that there is an afterlife.
It may be why you believe there is an afterlife, but you cannot know it.
I have begun to think that the other species were created for us.
Not only is that a very egotistical point of view, it makes GOD out to be an absolutely cruel unthinking bastard. Do you mean the billions and billions of critters that have existed were created just for your enjoyment? How sad and pitiful. How can you devalue life that much?
For us, there is an afterlife, a loving creator, and destiny.
While that might be a nice thing to believe, the reasons you've given so far have been pathetic.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 19 of 104 (280839)
01-22-2006 9:19 PM
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01-22-2006 9:14 PM


Re: and refutation
First Charley, your answer has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Second, while you might believe that, you cannot KNOW that. Third, why do you devalue life so much?
I'm sorry but I just don't see how anyone can hold such a tiny, limiting view of either life or GOD. How pitiful.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 26 of 104 (280914)
01-23-2006 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Palador
01-23-2006 1:19 AM


Science and the Whys.
I think that one of the most fundamental question that science fails to answer is the question of why.
That is because for the most part Why is not the provence of science when why is used within the context of meaning or purpose.
Why do we exist? Why was this universe created? The question stems more than a fear of death, but it is an ultimate realization that everything that we know and do is temporary.
Those are individual subjective questions, certainly reasonable ones to speculate upon in religion or philosophy.
So, in this view, the question must be asked. What is the purpose of life? Why do we exist if our existence is temporary, and anything we do is a temporary blip on a galactic scale? Is our very existence a cosmic joke?
I don't see why the questions must be asked. Some may wish to ask them, but there is no absolute need for them to be asked or answered beyond an individuals desires.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 42 of 104 (280996)
01-23-2006 3:52 PM
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01-23-2006 3:40 PM


Re: and refutation
Again Charley, what does that have to do with anything being discussed?
Nature is beatiful, but there is much more to God than that.
And your point is?
Why, what do you believe in regards to God and his creating the organisms of the earth.
Charley, it doesn't really matter. My beliefs about GOD have nothing to do with life as we see it and live it. They are beliefs, not facts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 70 of 104 (283545)
02-02-2006 9:19 PM
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02-02-2006 9:17 PM


It is not easier, vastly harder to live with faith, because I find myself questioning myself.
Fantastic. A belief unquestioned is weak and worthless.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 73 of 104 (283732)
02-03-2006 8:24 PM
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02-03-2006 7:46 PM


Re: this agnostic's view on faith, in brief
The only thing that matters is whether what they believe is true or not.
Well none of us will know the answer to that until after we're dead.
So would there be any chance that the reward might also be found in either the satisfaction of helping someone else or in the greater pleasure or comfort lived by the individual?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 78 of 104 (283977)
02-04-2006 5:39 PM
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02-04-2006 5:05 PM


Re: regarding our intellect
getting along with your sister's boyfriends.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 81 of 104 (284013)
02-04-2006 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Trump won
02-04-2006 6:49 PM


Re: regarding our intellect
The biggest will relate to resources.
What resources to you think might lead to social complexity?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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