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Author Topic:   Humanity's Stuggle With Death.
mike the wiz
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Message 53 of 104 (281279)
01-24-2006 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
01-23-2006 8:20 PM


Re: short life = better life?
Hi Shraff.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Are you saying that eternal life is wishful thinking and should be culled at a certain age?
If afterlife is a comforter, then that suggests it is something we come up with, at some stage in our lives. But it is a foreknowledge given via the scriptures. We are told of it. We don't merely wish for it one day.
I hope fore eternal life, because that is the message given to us.
It's not like Jesus came and said, "listen, I know you're all desperate for eternal life, so here's what I'm going to do.....".
Infact it was Christ who came and told us about it.

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mike the wiz
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Message 57 of 104 (281457)
01-25-2006 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by nator
01-24-2006 8:39 PM


Re: short life = better life?
What I am specifically addressing with Charlie is his stated "reasoning" for why there "must" be an afterlife.
Pretty much the sum total of his reasoning is, that he wouldn't like it if there wasn't
I know. He gets this particular subject into every topic he makes, as if the previous discussions you had with him didn't address it. Lol.
His argument doesn't involve any actual reasoning IMHO. I'd love to know why he praises anything religious. I suspect because it agrees with him about the afterlife.
Who wrote the scriptures, mike?
People who wanted to be comforted. Even more than today, because life was much harder for the Jews and early Christians then.
I suppose it's possible, but I have to admitt that dying in order to get to a paradise, has never been my idea of a fun time. Especially if it's a painful death. And if I have to admitt comforting thoughts, which I do, then they are more so in the area of uncertainty life brings.
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mike the wiz
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Message 63 of 104 (282379)
01-29-2006 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by joshua221
01-29-2006 11:34 AM


Re: Conclusion
He merely used Aristotle's five causes to expound upon five ideas of his own, IIRC.
I think his actual reasoning was faulty, when looked at in a logical form. I seen a syllogism and it didn't work.
His argument is persuasive, slightly, but not conclusive, and certainly he didn't prove God exists as it couldn't be inferred.
Proof comes from valid inference. Anything about God is hypothetical, and intangeable, and is not evidential. Therefore it is vacuous conjecture to assert than one has proved God. Not that I'm saying Aquinas claimed to have proved God. You have claimed that he did this.
If he actually said he did, then it's impossible that he used reason.

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Message 66 of 104 (282503)
01-30-2006 8:04 AM
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01-29-2006 9:08 PM


Re: short life = better life?
That was more a statement of my own beliefs. You can disregard the post.

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