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Palador writes: I think that one of the most fundamental questions that science fails to answer is the question of why. Why do we exist? Why was this universe created? The question stems more than a fear of death, but it is an ultimate realization that everything that we know and do is temporary. Hey Palador--welcome to our forum! 
Palador writes: Hopefully, we will have left more than a few dollars and a building or two. Hopefully, they will have learned something from having known us. Otherwise, you are right---whats the point??
Consider this. After we die, what mark of ours remains? 10 years after our death, there will be our children and possibly our grandchildren, and they will probably have inherited any property that we have left them. Palador writes: 10,000 years from now, humanity as we know it will probably be gone.100,000 years from now, we will probably be nothing more than dust, or perhaps fossils ourselves. 1,000,000,000 years from now, life on this planet will start to die as the sun expands, warming this planet and causing all water to evaporate into space. A few billion years later, the sun will have expanded far enough to absorb the Earth, making this planet's demise permanent. Trillions of years later, the universe will end up into its terminal stage. Although scientists are not sure exactly how it will happen, either by a big Crunch, a Big Rip, or a Big Freeze, but life in this universe will cease to exist, in fact everything in this universe will cease to exist then. I have a couple of choice Bible quotes that stir within me as I read your post! NIV writes: Matt 24:35- Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.~Jesus Christ Palador writes: What is the purpose of life? Why do we exist if our existence is temporary, and anything we do is a temporary blip on a galactic scale? Is our very existence a cosmic joke? NIV writes: Of course, after reading Ecclesiastes, we find the conclusion of the author!
Eccl 1:1-14- The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem: "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless." What does man gain from all his labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. There is no remembrance of men of old, and even those who are yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow. I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men! I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind. Eccl 12:9-14- Not only was the Teacher wise, but also he imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true. The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails-given by one Shepherd. Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body. Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [duty] of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Science and Religion meet in the school of Philosophy. It is true that we are nothing but cosmic dust in the grand scheme of things! Words and ideas transcend the material world, however.
Ps 30:9-10 "What gain is there in my destruction,in my going down into the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it proclaim your faithfulness? Hear, O LORD, and be merciful to me; O LORD, be my help." Perhaps the question is this: Which ideas, beliefs, and philosophies will survive eternally? This message has been edited by Phat, 01-23-2006 06:46 AM This message has been edited by Phat, 01-23-2006 06:48 AM Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
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Hey Proph! Are you talking bottles like that special vinegar that Schraff was referring to?
As far as being reunited with our loved ones, I DO remember the idea that there is the Bride of Christ, wherein the people become reunited with their head, who is Christ. In that regards, I can imagine that Christ as the source of all love and creation would be such a grand communion that even if I were not technically "kickin it" with my family in Heaven, I would feel as if though they were right there! I agree with you that THIS life is not the end of it all, but the scientists tell us that this is a belief and not a fact. Oh well... Matt 21:22-- If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." ~~Jesus
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Brennakimi writes: Why is it selfish to want to spend eternity with close friends and family? isn't it selfish to think that you'll get to spend eternity with your mother? does our desire for eternal life come from our own selfish need to keep everything we like? Selfish would be wanting to spend eternity ALONE!  Look at a tall mountain near your home. Imagine that every day, you went to the top of that Mountain and brushed it with a feather duster. The amount of days that it would take to wear that mountain down to nothing are a mere drop of water in a bucket. The bucket is one bucket taken from the ocean. All of the days, and all of the drops and all of the thoughts...and boxes without topses, and all of the sweet tomatos, and people that you meet and words that you jot in your diary.....as well as the proverbial grains of sand on all of the beaches...even the atoms in the dirt and dust of this planet...cannot begin to add up to ETERNITY. Don't be alone. Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Have you ever heard of poetic license? Its sorta like a parable in a way.
My point to you was that 1)desiring to be united throughout eternity is an unselfish wish.... 2) Eternity is a long time This message has been edited by Phat, 01-24-2006 08:33 AM Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
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ramoss writes: Perhaps my worldview can be misused to accentuate the negative, but I certainly am no idealist, either! The people of the world are not gonna just gather around in a circle holding hands and singing "We Are The World" anytime soon. You are so concentrating on just the negative. There will be the challenge of how to handle human traits of greed, envy, and lies. On a planet with limited resources where some will be asked to sacrifice for the good of everyone, tempers will be likely to flare! On the other hand, there is no theocratic solution, either. The answer will be found within your heart, if you are honest enough to allow it to happen.(Im talking to myself as well! ) Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
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Ditto to the above note to your brother!
Hows the Banjo coming along? There is no surer cure to the struggle with Death than to embrace the Spirit of life, shining through us in all its expression by way of our literary skilz and our music! The Transcendants may have not worked out totally, but Im quite sure that persistance will pay off as you and CP practice expressing yourselves verbally AND especially musically! This message has been edited by Phat, 02-17-2006 09:49 PM Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Bright and Early?
How about seeing me in chat right now? 1258am NY time
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