A proof against ID and Creationism

I am willing to answer your questions outside Bible or God. My answers will be based only on Science.When I discuss ID, I discuss only Science without God or Bible. What is your question please?

Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer.I know very little about computers, but I use them a lot. But, Steve Jobs is lot more intelligent than me. Because, he DESIGNED the first apple computer.This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 02-06-2006 12:05 PM

We do not know who the intelligent designer is. May be he is an alien from Mars, or a computer programmer,Steve Jobs, chemical engineer or anyone who has the intelligence to design.

Amino acids do not self assemble and synthesize proteins. Chances of this occuring is less than 1 in (10 X 42) which is a statistical improbability.

Anything new requires intelligence. Ingenuity and creation requires some one who has the capability of design. Whoever that is. For you, it can be a programmer, for someone else, he could be a chef, he could be an artist or even alien from Space and all of them have intelligence. In science there is no magic. There is definite plan and purpose and a Designer.It takes lot more faith on my part to believe that everything self assembled( like proteins) than to believe in an intelligent designer who invents.This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 02-12-2006 05:55 PM

The analogy between ID and Steve Jobs is simple and is obvious. The word "INVENTION" must make lot of sense. If you can imagine the processes involved in inventing a computer out of microprocessors and electronic components, then you have the answer. Any invention requires extra intelligence. I cannot make this much simpler for you.

So what? I do not have to use the first apple computer in order to understand Steve's invention. I use the latest version of the IBM PC. Whether it is Apple or IBM, it is the basic computer. What we are discussing here is the Intelligence of Steve Jobs with which he Designed the first Apple computer. It is not the version of the computer at discussion.

Verywell said. This is why frogs stay as frogs and do not evolve into anything else. Thanks for proving that macroevolution does not occur..

If God created everything, then God was not created. Otherwise, God becomes one of the creations which has no power to create. God was never created. But, He always existed. This is hard for me to understand.But, thi smakes lot of sense to me. Who am I to question my creator?

Millions of mutations were carried out on Drosophila Melanogaster. So far they have never identified one useful mutant.Randomness cannot produce any order. Biological evolution does not occur without chemicals. Chemical evolution cannot occur. Therefore biological evolution is impossible.

How do you determine whether something "cannot self assemble or self synthesize"?This is plain and simple. We have all built some models. What happens when we buy them from the store? They are all well packed. We bring them home, follow the instructions and put different components in the proper place. They do not self assemble themselves. This is asimple analogy. Even the basic components of a model do not self assemble.The answer to your question is that when you want to make something involving assembly and it does not assemble itself, then you determine that that particular product does not self assemble.

No, it cannot be demonstrated. Here you make inference out of some information. The inference is certain processes cannot and will not occur without a Designer.

You are right on your explanation of the genetic information and alleles. Once again, we go to the basics. For any mutation ot occur there has to be a functional living cell. Now, where did the cell come from? Not by self assembly of amino acids. Protein synthesis does not occur. It must be directed and regulated. Chemical evolution does not occur. Therefore cell does not come into existence. If there is no cell, then there is no mutation. Our general question is How did the original functional living cell come into existence?Mutation itself is a well organised and fully directed process.

What is the correct information please?

Does it mean that the genes are destroyed by the powerful radiations? Even under controlled conditions, useful mutant is still evading the observer. In nature, what causes mutations as well as natural selection?