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Author Topic:   Verifying truth in science - is evolution faith-based?
NosyNed
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Message 12 of 104 (288116)
02-18-2006 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Silent H
02-18-2006 12:12 PM


Differences of degree and semantics
There seems to be a clear intuitive difference between trust and faith. I think that must be remembered.
Perhaps the real difference is the degree of trust/faith (whatever). If I buy a used car based on how good the salesman tells me it is that indicates a high degree of trust. If I first take it to an independent mechanic who's skills I know then I have much, much less faith/trust in the salesman. If I also drive it myself, use whatever I know to poke around then there is less trust/faith involved.
With the evolutionary explanation for current life I can look at all sorts of different things and review proponents and opponents to make up my own mind to arrive at a conclusion with as much or as little faith/trust as I am willing to spend time on.
If one side allows me to keep digging deeper and deeper (poking around) and I keep getting consistent answers I start to give them more trust (my independent mechanic). If the other seems to run short of explanatory power almost immediately I begin to wonder (my plaid clad used car salesmen).
It is easy for me to pick between the two. In spite of some saying they have studied both sides for a long time it is apparent to me that they haven't.

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NosyNed
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Message 26 of 104 (289239)
02-21-2006 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Garrett
02-21-2006 2:42 PM


forced conclusions
You don't beleive that God created the distinct animals, therefore logic forces you to believe that macroevolutionary changes do occur. Starting from my base, it isn't logically necessary for macroevolution to have occured.
Unfortunately, the Bible says that God did NOT create the distinct animals in the way they actually appeared over time. The Bible spells out one 6 day creation event (actually less than 6 days for living things). When Bible believing geologists first began to study the actual geology they realized this wasn't right. One thing that they then postulated was a series of "special creations" in order to have God creating the animals but still explain what they saw.
Unfortunately, over time this began to look more and more silly as it became clear that new forms arose again and again and again over long periods of time. It meant that there had to be constant "special creations" going on.
There don't seem to be many people who want to say that "special creation" is going on today which is where you end up by following this path.
The question is, will you be willing to abandon it for another theory when the evidence shows it may be in error?
Of course, that is what science is about. However, it is near enough to a dead certainty that what the new evidence will change (if anything) is the mechanisms for "macroevolution" will be understood differently. That is has occured is pretty darn unlikely to be overturned.
It would be interesting for you to speculate on what new evidence might turn up.

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NosyNed
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Message 53 of 104 (289287)
02-21-2006 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Garrett
02-21-2006 4:33 PM


Looking forward to it
We all look forward to your demonstration of what is wrong with dating (especially). Of course, you understand that this sort of claim is made about once a month on average here and no one ever handles the HUGE volume of evidence for an old earth.
The "correlations" thread is the one that touches (only just barely touches) on the evidence. It emphasizes what appears to be a big problem for the YEC view; there doesn't appear to be any web site with any discussion of the correlations between totally independent methods. Naming God "Loki" seems to be the only way out in the end.
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Please, demonstrate the evidence you have for a young earth and what is wrong with the content of the above thread. We're are really interested.

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