"...except in the case of rape or incest."

Crashfrog wrote:"Actually, in the Bible, God promises to cause an abortion if the pregnancy is the result of infidelity,"God also takes people's lives as punishment for wickedness too (see Genesis 6-7, 18:16-19)So, I guess by your argument that it is okay for us to preform abortions if God does them. And based on that, since God kills people OUTSIDE the womb, I guess I can kill my neighbor for wickedness as well. Were is that chainsaw??

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Stop me anytime you think I'm making a false step of logic.1) God is good.
2) Therefore the actions of God are good.
3) Therefore actions that we take in the example of God are good.4) God caused abortions in situations where pregnancy is not wanted or desirable.
5) Therefore it is good for us to cause abortions in the same situation. Your sarcasm is so funny. I mean, yeah - it's not like religious zealots have never taken it upon themselves to brutally kill those that they find "wicked", right? I mean that doesn't ever happen, does it?

Ringo wrote:"Do we see the Pro-lifers advocating higher taxes to support single Mothers?"Im one that does. I would love to pay higher taxes to support single mothers.BTW: 18 year olds, last time I checked, are fully human, unless it's proven that they are part Homo Heidelbergensis until they reach the age of 24....

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No prob. You do realize you contradict yourself here, right? You don't want to impose, you just want it made illegal so she won't have a choice, but you won't force her?Help me out here, guy. Which is it?

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Oh Crashfrog. Your sense of Logic...1: God is good
2:Therefore the actions of God are good.
3:Therefore we can take life like God, be worshipped like God, and do whatever the Hell we choose! Screw the fact that GOD is GOD and we are NOT.Religious Zealots killing sinners? No different from Atheist Zealouts (we call them COMMUNISTS)that killed those that didn't agree with the status quo in Russia, China, North Korea and elsewhere with a communist dictatorship.Oh yeah, atheism is so perfect and bloodless and without blemish LOL.

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Hey dude Let me clear up some things. If I know a girl who is going to get an abortion, I would try to talk her out of it, but I cant force her to do one thing or the other. I cant physically restrain her to keep from doing an abortion. She has to make that decision. Now when it comes to making abortion illegal, I am for it. But even then, I'm not going to restrain anyone physically from getting an abortion. Everybody has a free will, despite what 5-point-Calvinists would have you believe LOL.

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ok that's just crossing the line.fuck you.

brennakimi states:
"oh, that's just crossing the line."Any more than telling me to "shut the Hell up"? or saying that I think I am better than anybody else? Who started what here?

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As NosyNed had suggested, how about responding to the OP?

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Communist dictatorships are not atheist; they deify and worship the state.Not surprised that you were misinformed about that, though. It's all part of a decades-long effort to associate perfectly harmless atheism with the tragedies of the religious rule of communists. And quite off-topic. Go back to your Bible. God doesn't automatically abort the babies of adulterers. There's a ritual that must be performed first, by humans.The Bible is clear that abortion is not God's perogative, it's ours. Otherwise God wouldn't need humans to dose the woman with a concoction made of dust from the temple floor. God leaves the choice of abortion up to the humans; he just helps.

As far as I can tell, it has the accurate KJV Bible. That should be neutral and reputable enough.I'll grant that it annotated. The annotations tend to be unlike what you will see on a theologians site. It's a good site to go to if you are looking for information on the parts of the Bible that theologians find embarrassing.Christians should probably spend some time at the site. It might give them an alternative perspective.

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No different from Atheist Zealouts (we call them COMMUNISTS)that killed those that didn't agree with the status quo in Russia, China, North Korea and elsewhere with a communist dictatorship.

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Actually, in these places that you mentioned, atheism was not the central, driving tenet of the prevailing ideology of the regimes, unlike many of the atraocities committed in the name of Christianity (and other faiths). But that isn't the topic here -- you are welcome to start a new thread for this topic. (Although it has already been done to death -- ugh!)

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Crashfrog wrote:
"Communist dictatorships are not atheist; They deified and worshipped the state"Isn't that the "NO True Scotsman" fallacy?You know, the Nazis deified the aryan race, does that make the majority of them atheist? Not really, since even they where religious (many where Christian).Communist nations deified the state, but they didn't believe in a real God. does that make them deists, since they "deified" the soviet state?Go back to my Bible? GO back to your history books! These are the same people who formed the "Militant Atheist International" that was totally against any form of God or religion. That would be apeculiar title of an organization that wans't openly Atheist.As for your interpretation of the Bible: see Exodus 20:13. I'll bring more back in a minute.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4