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Author Topic:   A proof against ID and Creationism
cavediver
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Message 268 of 300 (303107)
04-11-2006 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by JRTjr
04-11-2006 4:58 AM


Re: The Colours Are Blinding Me!
As I stated before “the dimensions (Height, Width, Depth, and Space-Time), particles, and energy that make up the universe came into existence at the beginning (The Big Bang).”
No, they did not come into existence at the Big Bang. For that to happen you would need a state of non-existence and a state of existence and some transition between those two states. Nothing like this is suggested by the Big Bang. There is simply existence.
Space-Time does not simply exist in this universe, it is a part of what makes up this universe
True
it is Space-Time that dictates that this universe, and everything in it, must have a beginning and therefore a beginner (I.E. causal agent).
The "beginning" as you call it is simply one "end" of the universe. It needs a causal agent as much or as little as any other point in space-time.

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cavediver
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Message 271 of 300 (303120)
04-11-2006 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by JRTjr
04-11-2006 6:30 AM


Re: The Colours Are Blinding Me!
Sorry, but even Stephen Hawking seams to disagree with you on that one.
Believe me, he doesn't...
Your quote is trying very unsuccessfully to describe the Hawking/Penrose Singularity Theorems. The theorems say nothing concerning creation and cause.
Have you ever seen anything created or caused to exist? Or have you just seen pre-existing matter rearranged?
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