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lfen Member (Idle past 4706 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
And if animals have a "soul" does that include fish? insects? bacteria? plants or trees?
What function is being represented by the word "soul"? Going into detail might illuminate the problem or it may as Wittgenstein pointed lead us to understand that we are not talking sense but only a syntax the gives an illusion of sense. lfen
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Hello Ifen
By soul, I mean the supernatural essence of a living thing that lives on after death. Insects I believe have them, and I see nothing wrong with bacteria having them as well. Plants i'm not so sure, since they dont have the "Breath of life" like humans and animals do, which is believed by some to be "soul" (Reference will be posted soon) Dont have time to debate now. Papers and reports to turn in and all at college. I'll see if I can reply again after semester. peace "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
This is the source which shows that some do think that the "Breath of life" is the immortal soul: Zondervan's pictorial Bible Dictionary, page 807 under "soul". Bible references are included to show this (Genesis 7:15) Genesis 1:30 also shows that the "Breath of life" belongs to animals as well as man.
Hope I helped "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hi, Ludo. Long time, no see.
What is the difference between bacteria and plants in regard to "the breath of life"?
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Hey Chirp
Micro organisms are not mentioned in the creation narrative, though they could be placed under "Creeping things" (Genesis 1:24,25,30)If so, they would have the "Breath of life". Plants are never mentioned as having the "Breath of life" in the Bible. Some might think that the "Breath of life" might be Oxygen, since animals and humans breathe in oxygen in and carbon dioxide out, while plants breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen. But that would be reading too much into the text, and although God divinely inspired the written word (Christains like myself believe as such)he wrote it through ancient people who did not know advanced mordern science. The Bible is not a science book. nice to talk with you again chirp "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Plants use respiration (requiring oxygen) in addition to photosynthesis. They use oxygen to release the energy stored in the carbohydrates synthesized in photosynthesis.
Here's a link for your perusal: Plant Respiration
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, what kind of evidence do you have that any 'essense' livs on past death, even of humans?
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Why ask a scientific question about a theological concept?
"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Why ask a scientific question about a theological concept? Well, maybe because this topic is in the Science Forums.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
This IS the science forum.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
actually, this is a miscellaneous topics in CvE thread on a CvE forum. Creation VS Evolution cannot be discussed just using science, since it involves both natural science and theological concepts. I already said that this is a question about the supernatural,not science. This is about souls, which are known in theological books, yet void in natural science, becuase natural science an the supernatural are totally different beasts (Stephen Jay Gould's NOMA I believe applies here)
I already told someone else about this in this thread. Sorry, but you cant debunk souls scientifically since it is a supernatural concept, outside of natural science. "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
Hate to break it to you. But THIS is one of the Science forums. If you want to support the existence of souls, then scientific evidence IS what will be needed.
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tad askew Inactive Member |
animals do not have souls because the soul of a human is the part that God made in his image
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pesto Member (Idle past 5616 days) Posts: 63 From: Chicago, IL Joined: |
This is an interesting question, because the answer has a lot to do with your specific beliefs.
Atheists: Of course not, nothing has a soul (i.e. a spirit that lives for ever). Creationist A: Yes, the Bible says so (quotes passage). Creationist B: No, the Bible says so (quotes passage). Now where it gets interesting is in theological evolution. Assuming this starting point, humans evolved from our ape ancestors. If humans have souls and other animals don't, at what point did human ancestors start having souls? If animals have souls, what is the nature of their soul? Did our ape ancestors have souls? Our reptile ancestors? Our fish ancestors? How about the sponge, or the first eukaryotes?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Now where it gets interesting is in theological evolution. Assuming this starting point, humans evolved from our ape ancestors. If humans have souls and other animals don't, at what point did human ancestors start having souls? Check out this thread: God as the source for man's creative explosion. Thats where I think it happened.
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