Does God = Allah

So.. can you simply answer me why you accept, as truth, the meeting between Mohammed and the angel/demon?

If you say "in the Qu'ran" and MEAN "a belief held by Islam" you are misusing language and confusing your reader. Islam believes many things outside the Qu'ran. Well you expressed yourself very confusingly in the effort to ask such a simple question.I believe as far as this simple question goes, I answered it well enough on the other thread. I do not understand why you felt it needed a new thread.Yes I believe Mohammed spoke to a supernatural entity.
No this information is not in the Qu'ran.
No I do not believe it was the angel Gabriel because this entity contradicts the angel Gabriel in the Bible.What question remains?

Why?1) I tend to believe people are telling the truth about such events although they misinterpret them.2) I know such things happen from many other similar incidents in history.3) I believe it accounts for the untruths of the Qu'ran that he couldn't have dreamed up himself. Demons specialize in contradicting the Bible in particular.Please do not say demon/angel as if the two were equivalent. You confuse things that way. A true angel comes from God and never lies. Demons are fallen angels who are committed to misleading human beings and keeping them in bondage to their master Satan.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 03:50 PM

Hello Faith. True, the three Abrahamic religions are not exactly alike, but they do share many similarites:
1) The belief that there exists one God
2) This God initiated a covenent with humans to or through a prophet
3) This God gave to humans an "outline" of proper worship, ethical behavior, etc.
4) The belief in or employment of eschatology, doctrines concerning the end of the world.I also believe that because different names are employed for the same being doesn't presuppose difference. Allah has roughly ninety-nine names that are used in the muslim tradition. I disagree. My bold.Judaism and Xianity "built the foundation", and Islam sees itself as the final piece of the puzzle.

ok.. so you 'tend' to believe these types of stories. you know that people claim to hae had such experiences from history, not whether they actually occured. I say Demon/angel because you see it as an demon, others may see it as an angel.

Jews and Christians believe that Isaac was God's chosen successor to Abraham.
Islam believes Ishmael the son of the bondswoman was Abraham's successor.
Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Islam believes that God has no son.As I said, they "...specifically deny what Jews and Christians believe" as I've just shown.How can you "disagree" with this? Such basic contradictions show that Islam is an entirely different religion.

No one has suggested that Islam is not a different religion that Judaism or Christianity. The question is whether the GOD of Islam is the same GOD as that of Jews and Christians. So far you have shown no evidence that is not the case. The facts are that Allah is the GOD of Abraham and Isaac, of Moshe and Jesus.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That is not what I said. I said I tend to believe PEOPLE. I have no reason to call anybody a liar just because what they tell of their experiences flies in the face of modern prejudices. Yes, again, I have no reason to accuse everybody of lying who simply had an unusual experience, but I also believe that events around their lives may add to the credibility of their claims or subtract from them. However, even totally crazy people may be telling the truth about some very odd experiences. The odd thing is that today's anti-supernatural prejudice is so ingrained. Yes, but there are actual reasons why one belief is more likely true than the other.

I gave the evidence. You seem to be unable to recognize evidence that goes against you. I've noticed this many times now.Sorry, you are simply playing with words. Sorry I was not more exact by your standards. When I say it is a different religion I mean it teaches different things, believes different things.And it worships a different God because it couldn't possibly be the same God saying contradictory things:EITHER Isaac or Ishmael was Abraham's successor. It can't be both. You must choose.EITHER Jesus Christ is the Son of God or he is a mere prophet. It can't be both. You must choose.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 04:17 PM

No you haven't! In any case, an equally committed Muslim could no doubt "show" why Christianity isn't valid. People of faith represent different sides of the same shape. I disagree. The fact that I hold all faiths in equal regard allows me to accept that people must be free to seek faith in their own manner.This message has been edited by RickJB, 04-26-2006 04:18 PM

So Jews don't worship the same god as christians? After all they don't recognize jesus as the son od god.

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If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
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Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, yet the GOD of the Jews is still the GOD of the Christian. Denying that Jesus is the Son of GOD says nothing about GOD.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Since God is yet to be formally classified/identified one way or the other one could just as well assume that he/she/it has spoken differing messages to different peoples at different times. This might not imply contradiction - after all, you wouldn't expect the SAME guidance from a friend to help with differing dilemmas would you?This message has been edited by RickJB, 04-26-2006 04:24 PM

Of course they can "show" why Christianity ISN'T valid, just as I can show why Islam ISN'T valid.That is not what I said. I said they cannot be EQUALLY valid. You must choose one or the other as both cannot be true. Contradictory beliefs cannot both be true.How is it a different "side of the same shape" to claim that Ishmael was the true successor to Abraham, when Jews and Christians say it was Isaac? How is it a "different side of the same shape" to say that God has no son and Jesus Christ was merely a prophet when Christians say He is the Son of God?" These are contradictory statements, not "sides" of anything. No it shows that you are willing to pretend that contradictions do not cancel each other out, which is the same thing as refusing to think. If any of the religions is true, the others are false, because contradictions cannot both or all be true. It's elementary logic. Only a blind politically motivated sentimentality keeps people from facing this fundamental fact.

I see. You believe God talks out of both sides of his mouth, one thing to one group and a completely contradictory thing to another? Such a God doesn't deservee any respect whatever.It was EITHER Isaac or it was Ishmael. Jesus is EITHER God or he is not. Show me how these statements do not involve actual logical contradictions that prove that both religions cannot be true.