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derwood
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Message 88 of 199 (30824)
01-31-2003 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by mark24
01-30-2003 7:42 PM


quote:
Mark:
Methinks you miss the point. A "fully developed bird" has what characteristics exactly? Feathers? A keeled sternum? Hypotarsus? Abdominal ribs, etc? Since you refuse to answer the question, "what represents a transitional form as predicted by the ToE", it is difficult to take your objections seriously.
Interestingly, a colleague of mine, an ornithologist, gave a talk yesterday about the evolution of birds.
Ornithologists seem to consider Archie a bird, albeit with reptilian features.
The fact that, as is apparent by the differing opinions expressed by, for example, my colleague and Mark, it is so difficult to reach definite conclusions about fossils like Archis is strong support for evolution.
If there were "archetypes" or "created kinds", it stands to reason that any and all extant (or extinct) organisms should easily fit within a certain 'type'.
Evolution predicts a continuum, and Archie and other reptile-like birds (or bird-like reptiles) fit nicely within that framework.

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derwood
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Message 89 of 199 (30826)
01-31-2003 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by edge
01-30-2003 9:23 PM


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And you (Boger) have what? A myth that requires various and sundry miracles in order to occur. Yep, that makes sense.
You forgot the mysterious particles that have no evidence in uspport of their existence - the ever elusive CREATON, and of course, the ever popular (but apparently made-up) MORPHOGENIC FIELD!
OOOOOO scarrrrry!

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derwood
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Message 93 of 199 (30852)
01-31-2003 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by mark24
01-31-2003 11:39 AM


Ah - no matter, it still brought up a good point.
It reminds me of Fred Williams' claim that mosaics are actually evidence against evolution - mosaics like Archie, for example...
No amount of refutation changed Williams' mind, either.

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derwood
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Message 114 of 199 (31670)
02-07-2003 2:53 PM


Tob...
Cap....

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derwood
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Message 177 of 199 (32444)
02-17-2003 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by edge
02-16-2003 11:08 AM


Sounds OK to me.
I am still waiting for empirical evidence of the existence of creatons and morphogenic fields, myself...

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