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Author Topic:   Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an
jar
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Message 16 of 74 (311583)
05-12-2006 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Chiroptera
05-12-2006 8:10 PM


Re: Expansion of the Universe
Actually the Harun Yahya operation seems to crib most of their material from ICR. The biggest difference between the Harun Yahya machine and ICR is that the Harun Yahya people seem to look more towards the old earth form of Creationism than the classic YEC position. But they both play fast and loose with both their quotemining and translations.
The claims, of course, are as silly as those made for the same material when it's quotemined out of the Bible. First, even if they did happen to be true, they say nothing about the existence of God. The fact that there is something that happens to be true in a story, novel or book says nothing about the source of the material.
The majority of the quotes on the Harun Yahya site are simply wrong. Either they misquote the qur'an, misinterpret what it says, or take the verse out of context changing its meaning.
It might be worthwhile, though I doubt it, to begin with the very first quote and then work through them one at a time. I doubt it though because the Harun Yahya folk learned at Gish's feet and they also have the advantage of learning from the Dervishes.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 36 of 74 (311608)
05-12-2006 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:33 PM


Don't be silly. I happen to believe that God exists. But that has absolutely nothing to do with any of the information you posted.
The Harun Yahya sites and claims are as sophomoric and silly as the Biblical Creationists websites.
The point is that none of the material on the Harun Yahya site, or any of the Biblical Creationist sites, proves that God exists. The fact that there might be something in the Bible or the Qur'an that if you squint just right, and hold your tongue a certain way, might possibly turn out to be what we have learned doesn't mean that God told someone or that the authors had a clue what they were talking about.
The material you provided does not prove there is a God. In addition, it ain't science. Science is not just the right answer, it's having the data to support that right answer. And that is simply not available from the Qur'an, the Bible or any other religious document.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 43 of 74 (311618)
05-12-2006 9:09 PM
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05-12-2006 9:02 PM


By the way, since you believe in God then why do you argue against me?
Because I honestly would like for people to get to know GOD. When folk use nonsense like the junk at Harun Yahya or ICR or AIG or Dr. Dino or Ron Wyatt or Gene Scott, it doesn't help lead them to God. Instead, they take one look at the really silly claims being made and decide that Theists, Christian or Muslim, Jew or Hindu, are just nutcases and unable to examine their beliefs critically.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 51 of 74 (311631)
05-12-2006 9:30 PM
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05-12-2006 9:15 PM


Last Off Topic post I promise.
If you realy like for people to know God than i give you respect. But if you dont like my ways than show your true belief and post your own ways.
You don't do it by insulting their intellegence, or by lying to them, or by twisting and misinterpreting the message or by sophomoric tactics like Harun Yahya, ICR, AIG or all the other marketers. You do it by living the message.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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