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Author Topic:   Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an
Chiroptera
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Message 3 of 74 (311565)
05-12-2006 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 7:21 PM


The first link is a collection of verses that fall into two categories.
One, like the supposed verses on relativity, is a collection of vaguely written verses taken out of context.
The other, like the verses supposedly acknowledging the earth is round, is simply common knowledge at the time.
Maybe you would like to share the one that you find most compelling?

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
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Chiroptera
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Message 6 of 74 (311570)
05-12-2006 7:57 PM
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05-12-2006 7:52 PM


quote:
About the roundness of Earth, people back then thought that Earth is as flat as a pie.
This is untrue. Educated people knew that the earth was round for about a thousand years before Mohammed was even born. It was known in classical Greece, and was known by educated people since.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 74 (311576)
05-12-2006 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:01 PM


Re: Expansion of the Universe
Your supplied link certainly gives an interesting, er, translation. Here is the result of my search:
051.047
YUSUFALI: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
PICKTHAL: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
SHAKIR: And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
The quoted verses seems to be saying that God made the universe, and he made a pretty big one.
I can't find any other sources that claim the proper translation is that God is continually making the universe expand.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 12 of 74 (311579)
05-12-2006 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:08 PM


The verse from the Qu'ran:
021.033
YUSUFALI: It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.
PICKTHAL: And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.
SHAKIR: And He it is Who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all (orbs) travel along swiftly in their celestial spheres.
Of course the ancient people thought the sun and the moon traveled in orbits. You can look up in the sky and see the sun and the moon travel in orbits! The verse is talking about the sun moving about the earth.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 17 of 74 (311584)
05-12-2006 8:26 PM
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05-12-2006 8:23 PM


quote:
Sun orbits the centre of the galaxy.
That is not stated in the Qu'ran at all. The verses quoted in Harun Yahya's web site says no such thing.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 27 of 74 (311597)
05-12-2006 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:35 PM


Re: Forlock
A forelock is a lock of hair, not a part of the brain.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 47 of 74 (311623)
05-12-2006 9:20 PM
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05-12-2006 9:05 PM


Re: The hints
quote:
About coincidence, did all of the many verses come by coincidence?
No, there is no coincidence. The verses are being deliberately chosen and then twisted and mistranslated to make them say what is desired.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 74 (311630)
05-12-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:22 PM


I did. I presented translations from a site that has three different well established translations that differ from Harun Yahya's claims that the Qu'ran describes the universe as expanding. I have also pointed out that the verses describing the motion of the sun do not describe its orbit in the galaxy, but can easily be interpreted as the (then) common belief that the sun went about the earth.
Your main response has been "Nuh-uh!"
I'm sorry that you have no evidence to back up your claims. But unfortunately, Harun Yahya is the Muslim Hovind. It's nonsense is even worse that Answers in Genesis.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 52 of 74 (311633)
05-12-2006 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:26 PM


Re: Embyros
quote:
What do you say about the verses where God explicitely explains the stages of the development of the emberyo from the sperm and semen to the fully developed baby?
The human baby does not pass through three distinct stages. There are not "biological" stages. The "stages" are like calendar months in the Western calendar -- arbitrary divisions in time set for a convenient standard to ease communication.
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quote:
Before anyone replies to me check the verses first and also check the 2nd link in the first post that shows you scientists world-wide who are admitting that Quran is the word of God?
There are all sorts of "scientists" who claim all sorts of things.

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Chiroptera
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Message 54 of 74 (311635)
05-12-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:34 PM


quote:
Quran's original text mentions that the universe expands and thats it.
Not that I can see. Maybe someone who knows Arabic can help us out here.
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Know i ask you, did any verse mention that the sun orbits around EArth? NO, it is just YUOR false interpretation.
What false interpretation? It is known that people used to look up in the sky and see that the sun moves about the earth. It takes no imagination whatsoever to imagine that these people would write about the sun moving in its orbit -- because they could see that's what it is doing.
Now, the claim that the Qu'ran speaks of the sun orbiting the center of the galaxy -- now THAT requires a bit more evidence than simply saying claiming that it is so.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 59 of 74 (311640)
05-12-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:38 PM


Re: Embyros
quote:
Quran mentions a much easier development for the emberyo so that peoople in all ages understand it.
That's fine, as long as we remember that it doesn't reflect biological reality.
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Again i say that Quran is not concerned with our scientific details and terminology and mentions the facts in a way understandable by all people as mentioned in other verses.
That's good, since it doesn't appear to be very accurate scientifically.
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By the way, you dont know or understand more than those scientists in the 2nd link and they even said that it would be even easier to follow Quranic classifications.
Did these "scientists" get their degrees from Patriot University?

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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Chiroptera
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Message 61 of 74 (311642)
05-12-2006 9:45 PM
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05-12-2006 9:40 PM


Frankly, your claims that those verses are saying the sun orbits the center of the galaxy has shot your credibility to hell.

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Chiroptera
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Message 64 of 74 (311649)
05-12-2006 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:48 PM


We did it! We red-lined the thread!
quote:
go spread your athiesm somewhere else cuz you can never convince me with your falsehood.
Huh? Um, you came here to convince us of something. All I am doing is pointing out that your claims are weak and unconvincing.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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