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Author Topic:   Bring science to the Bible (Bring science to the Church)
freelancer
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Message 3 of 59 (313295)
05-18-2006 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mastertrell
05-18-2006 2:25 PM


Hi, I'm new here so bear with me. I am going to be blunt right from the start and say that I am a Biblical Creationist - basically I believe the Bible and take what it says as true and accurate.

Mastertrell, have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever found anything wrong with it? Have you ever studied the Bible and discovered an error? The answer to the last two questions is undoubtly "no" because no one ever has. No one has ever suceeded in proving any part of the Bible false and no one ever will. In fact, all of the people that have tried to disprove it have either a.given up in the process or b.come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ I would invite you to read this http://www.comereason.org/bibl_cntr/default.asp and see for yourself how hard it is to disprove God's word.

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freelancer
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Message 7 of 59 (313310)
05-18-2006 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Guido Arbia
05-18-2006 6:49 PM


I know, bring it on.

And Alasdair, I'm not mixing terms at all. A true Christian believes that the entire hypothesis of evolutionism is physically, historically and spiritually invalid. A person can easily be "anti-evolution" and not be a Christian but it is entirely impossible to be a Christian and believe in evolution at the same time.

{I'm declaring this message to be "OFF-TOPIC". Also see my reply to this message. - Adminnemooseus}

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freelancer
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Message 11 of 59 (313320)
05-18-2006 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
05-18-2006 7:09 PM


Speaking as a Biblical Creationist and a Christian there is nothing "factually wrong" in the Bible. Period. I personally challenge you to come up with ONE fact of the Bible and prove it wrong. Go ahead, try.

Well, you have that almost right, there is more then one theory for Intelligent Design but a.they aren't myths and b.there is only ONE theory for Biblical Creationism

Every major Christian Church accepts the hypothesis of evolutionism? Since when? I'll admit there are some, but for the most part you really can't call them Christian churches. They're theologically weak, liberal, socialist groups who choose to call themselves a "church" so they can get a tax break.


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freelancer
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Message 15 of 59 (313328)
05-18-2006 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by jar
05-18-2006 7:40 PM


quote:
A true Christian believes that the entire hypothesis of evolutionism is physically, historically and spiritually invalid.
There is the classic exclusionary attitude of the little christians, the ones that worship an old anthology of anthologies instead of GOD, the ones that suffer from hubris and that deny the great gift of critical thinking that GOD gave all of us. It's sad. They are the people we really need to pity, to reach out to, to try to educate them if it is not already too late.

I'm thinking, I'm writing right now. Writing involves thinking, wouldn't you agree? Therefore I must be thinking and using "the great gift of critical thinking" that you mentioned, but I digress. God gave all of us the ability to think for ourselves (wasn't that nice of him? if he hadn't we all would listen to what all the big people said and always agree with them...) To be honest, I pity you. You seem to think that you have it all down but you're missing the important parts.

And you didn't prove any part of the Bible inaccurate. I wonder why? Maybe because you can't?

You quoted from the Clergy Project - twice now in fact. Is this where you get all your information from? Homosexual, liberal people who take it as their right to change scripture, the very essence of which is our basis as moral humans and as a country? People who deny everything that the Bible teaches and come up with a God to suit themselves? People who, in the very core of what they write and believe, break the 10 cannons? If so, I suggest you go and read the Bible for yourself, maybe then you'd get some moral insight.


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freelancer
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Message 17 of 59 (313341)
05-18-2006 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Alasdair
05-18-2006 7:55 PM


quote:
LIke, for example, the Catholic church?

I said Christian church. So no, that wouldn't include Catholics. But that's way off topic.


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freelancer
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Message 21 of 59 (313347)
05-18-2006 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
05-18-2006 8:07 PM


quote:
We need to at least show then the overwhelming evidence that is out there. It is then up to them whether they use the gifts GOD gave them, or decide to remain wilfully ignorant.

Would you mind doing me a huge favor? Would you find ONE single piece of evidence for evolution? One piece of evidence that proves that something in the Bible is wrong? I've already asked you to try and do that twice and you don't seem to be able or want to comply.

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freelancer
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Message 33 of 59 (313530)
05-19-2006 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-19-2006 10:58 AM


too easy? - too false perhaps.
quote:
There was no worldwide flood in recorded human history.

This is where I call bull on your ignorance. Look at the strata layers. Look at the Grand Canyon. Look at the fossils. Look at the fact that every culture in the world has a worldwide flood story.

Strata layers - it's scientifically impossible for a noticable line in layers to appear by "millions of years of buildup"

Grand Canyon - If the Grand Canyon were "eroded over millions of years" it would be 15 times bigger. And look at the fact that at Mt. St. Helens a 1/12 size GC was created in 24 hours.

Fossils - fossils cannot be created by millions of year of buildup - they would rot away before they got covered. couple that with the fact that there ate massive fossil grave yards and your conclusion must be that something huge burried them nearly instantly.

Did you know that every culture has a worldwide flood story? Even the cultures that had no exposiure to the Bible do. And they all say the same basic thing. "Eight people were told by god or gods to buld a boat because he was going to flood the whole world."


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freelancer
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Message 41 of 59 (313579)
05-19-2006 3:32 PM
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05-19-2006 12:42 PM


Re: Let's keep this on topic
I apologize, I was meerly trying to anwser questions.
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