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jar
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Message 29 of 238 (317009)
06-02-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Quetzal
06-02-2006 11:01 AM


Re: Allah is the man
One thing that I'd like to point out is that when it comes to something like GOD, not one of us Theists know what we are talking about. We may believe something very strongly, we may personally be very sure of our conclusions, but not one of us has a way to test the validity of our conclusions. The best that we can do is to try to express in our limited ways what it is we believe. We can try in our limted way to logically support what we believe, and that is then subject to the examination of others and they can decide whether what we outline makes any sense or not.
But even that can reference only the belief itself, and not the reality.
If GOD exists, She exits regardless of any evidence that It does not exist.
If GOD does not exist, the He does not exist regardless of any evidence that She does exist.
If GOD does exist, then any description of Her is but a Map and not the Territory itself.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 31 of 238 (317021)
06-02-2006 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Quetzal
06-02-2006 12:38 PM


On selecting Maps
I understand that. However, the "maps" ya'll use are so different that it's like trying to use a map of El Salvador to navigate around Uzbekistan - might be a fun adventure, but you're likely to never get from Tashkent to Nukus.
I absolutely agree. What you find when you look at the maps is a collection of maps, the Theological equivalent of the Perry-Casteneda Maproom. There wil be new maps, old maps, accurate maps, inaccurate maps. Some will be more up to date than others, some will point to one goal, others to a different one, some will have detail, others just broad empty spaces with the legend "There be Dragons".
The job of selecting a map is not easy, and as with any map, the user must constantly test the map against the territory, and where the territory does not correspond to the map, trust reality, not the representation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 33 of 238 (317025)
06-02-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Quetzal
06-02-2006 12:59 PM


Re: On selecting Maps
Maybe there should be a better GPS ("God Positioning System") than, say, the Bible?
Fortunately, GOD did just that, She gave us a record written by GOD Himself, the Universe we live in.
The Bible is but one of the Maps available, and it is a very old one. The Universe on the other hand is constantly updated as changes are made.
But there is always the issue of the map reader. Reading maps is something we all must learn, and as with any such effort, some folk will be better able to read the map than others. Some folk will also be better able to notice the differences between the Map and the Territory, while a few will trust the Map and try to drive across the washed out bridge reagardless of the signs posted saying "Bridge Out".

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 135 of 238 (319033)
06-08-2006 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by iano
06-07-2006 8:16 PM


Re: I rest my case.
Don't know about that. But whatever about the NT writers making the facts fit the OT story it would be a bit difficult for the OT Psalmist to make up the NT times crucifixion - seeing as folk in OT times hadn't invented that form of execution yet.
Which might be some evidence if there was ANY mention of crucifixion in ANY translation of Psalm 22. But there isn't. It is simply not there. No where in any version of Psalm 22 that I can find is there a mention of crucifixion.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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