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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5863 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
You mean his dogma that the bible isn't the word of God isn't a dogma? No no no no no no..... YOU are making a positive claim. I am not. The burden of proof is on you
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iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
No no no no no no..... Sounds for all the world like a pilot going down in flames
YOU are making a positive claim. I am not. The burden of proof is on you Is this your parachute?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Chapter and verse please.
quote: Why would that be ? It seems that the idea that someone could fairly evaluate the Bible is entirely possible. Can you give me a good reaon why that would not be so ?tr Edited by PaulK, : Correct end-quote tagi
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5863 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
It is debateable as to whether an uneducated goat herder is able to connect with a living God. If we are atheists, of course the source of our contentions will be human education and knowledge. If we are believers, however, education and knowledge do not wipe God away...they just allow us to consider the implications of God upon humanity in this enlightened age that we now live in. Phat, even though I am an atheist I never meant to imply that the bible proves god doesn't exist. Sorry if you read it that way. The flaws of the bible mean only that a literal interpretation is wrong and silly. As Jar would say, the map is not the territory. And you right, we are off-topic (no thanks to me )
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: The Second Coming assumes that Christ is real.... I'm not sure that the "second coming" has to entail Jesus beaming down to earth again. Do you think He's going to be laid in a manger again? In Bethlehem again? More important than a physical movement from A to B, I think the second coming means a reunion with Our Father, in the manner of the prodigal son's return to his home. Who does the returning is secondary. It is a second coming together rather than an apparition. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Legend Member (Idle past 5035 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Legend writes: the step where a non-assuming person thinks "the word of God cannot be full of factual errors, internal inconsistencies and false prophecies, therefore the Bible isn't the word of God". iano writes: This presupposes a non-assuming person. The Bible says there are none so....the Bible cannot be shown to be full of factual errors and inconsistencies because it would take a non-assuming person to point that out and the Bible says there are none!! To me, this deserves a Post of The Month award. P.S have you heard of the term 'circular reasoning' ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
P.S have you heard of the term 'circular reasoning' ? You ever heard of a non-assuming person?
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5863 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Is this your parachute? I am making no claim about the bible other than it was a book written a long time ago and that some parts are obviously mythical. That's it. I'm not saying anything about whether it was inspired by zeus, odin, yahweh, etc. or not
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Legend Member (Idle past 5035 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
iano writes: I have been fortunate. Things happened to me and THEN I went to find out what happened. The Bible describes it exactly, the Quran doesn't. Which to believe? if things haven't happened to you the way the Quran describes them it's because :
iano writes: Apparent inconsistancy can be laid aside for a time using the simple technique known as "pointing the finger at my own limitations in getting it and not supposing there to be an inconsistancy because of those limitations" it's because of YOUR limitations that you fail to see things are happening the way the Quran describes them . Once you get over your pre-diposition towards (fallen) critical thinking you'll see that things are happening exactly the way the Quran describes them. QED.
iano writes: I wonder what he would make of the Old Testaments Psalm 22 in general, verse 16 in particular...geopolitically speaking "For dogs have compassed me: A company of evil-doers have inclosed me; They pierced my hands and my feet."
damn... you got me there! I keep forgetting that Jesus was the only person ever to have been compassed by dogs, surrounded by evil-doers and crucified. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I keep forgetting that Jesus was the only person ever to have been encompassed by dogs, surrounded by evil-doers and crucified Don't know about that. But whatever about the NT writers making the facts fit the OT story it would be a bit difficult for the OT Psalmist to make up the NT times crucifixion - seeing as folk in OT times hadn't invented that form of execution yet. Figaro outo
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5863 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Don't know about that. But whatever about the NT writers making the facts fit the OT story it would be a bit difficult for the OT Psalmist to make up the NT times crucifixion - seeing as folk in OT times hadn't invented that form of execution yet. Let's stop this now...... or do we have to bring up the many unresolvable discrepancies between the OT and NT?
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CK Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
odd how my version says:
quote: I have seen other versions where it's translated in other ways. like here: Forbidden and later it says
quote: So the De Vinci code is real and the bloodline did continue! Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5035 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
very interesting!
it's as almost one could suggest that the KJV translators....(gasp).....changed the text, ever so slightly, to try and fit Jesus into it. and here I was thinking that this was the unchanging word of God! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
YOu might be standing around, yelling violently about the plane going down, and to get your parachute.
Me, I am just watching you, while strolling in the sunny park. I don't see the plane crashing, nor do I see the need for a parachute. It's a wonderful sunny day. Why don't you just sit back and apprecitate the birds chirping rather than screaming about a disaster that doesn't exist??
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Don't know about that. But whatever about the NT writers making the facts fit the OT story it would be a bit difficult for the OT Psalmist to make up the NT times crucifixion - seeing as folk in OT times hadn't invented that form of execution yet. Which might be some evidence if there was ANY mention of crucifixion in ANY translation of Psalm 22. But there isn't. It is simply not there. No where in any version of Psalm 22 that I can find is there a mention of crucifixion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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