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Cold Foreign Object 
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06-05-2006 1:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Syamsu
06-02-2006 2:16 PM

I have read your OP text and I assume you are a Muslim (creationist). How could your CT not have grounding in Shari'ah ? I see no mention of the Koran. Just wondering.
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06-06-2006 1:20 PM

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06-09-2006 3:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Wounded King
06-08-2006 7:56 AM

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06-19-2006 3:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Modulous
06-10-2006 11:24 AM

Re: General philosophy versus science
So, you start with the Creator premise: It is not necessary to know the character of the Creator of the Created entity. This is true. However, we need to have evidence that Michealangelo exists/existed in order to credit him with being the Creator of the Created object. And that is where the comparison to Creationism gets shaky since we have no actual evidence of the existence of the Creator.
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Atheists and their philosophy say there is no evidence of a Creator. It is apparent that you think atheistic assumptions are objective truth. Since you are an atheist this is expected. Science assumes the existence of a Creator/Designer based on the undisputed appearance of design and organized complexity that we see in biological reality.
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My point is that your starting assumption places everyone who acknowledges reality the way it is on the defensive. The same assumption cannot be overcome by any evidence and predetermines all of your interpretations and conclusions.
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In short my point is that Creationism is fine as a religious or philosophical concept but it fails as science.
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Very predictable and ordinary atheist philosophy.
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Romans 1:25
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Who changed the truth of God into A LIE, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. All Darwinists are the liars for special pleading the appearance of design (what more can God do ?) to not correspond with Designer but a blind and mindless process of their own imagination and need.
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06-20-2006 10:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 62 by kuresu
06-20-2006 5:43 PM

Re: General philosophy versus science
No. science does not assume the existence of any supernatural events.
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Then God by assumption is falsified. We already know that this is the "evidence" against God. Your next fallacy is to demand that Materialism methodologies are somehow neutral about God. The methodology that all atheists subscribe to is neutral about God ? I just obtained controlling interest in a bridge in Brooklyn - email me if you want in.
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Common sense and logic alone dictates that the methodology that all atheists subscribe to MUST be anti-God or they would not be devotees.
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We know God is testable by what we see in nature matching the literary claims of Scripture - thats called Correspondence. We only demand God be recognized as Creator and guess what ? That is the reason for being of Darwinism to deny.
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The rest of your post is pure rant attempting to eviscerate logic (Materialism = atheism) from reality (we are neutral about God). Neutrality is not exclusion and the predictable age-old assertion that we see no evidence of God in nature. The Christian majority knows you are liars.
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Ray
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06-21-2006 2:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 66 by kuresu
06-20-2006 11:28 PM

Re: General philosophy versus science
Off topic for this thread. Do not respond here
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you know, I'm not supposed to post in this thread, but I can in yours. However, I give up in trying to re-educate your bias against science--you still don't get the difference between ontological and methodological naturalism. For some one claiming to know who is the liar, you oughta look in the mirror. For you continue to decieve yourself because of your prejudices and bias's. As I said--my only bias is against stupid idiots--I can't stand them. Ignorance is another matter, but you are not ignorant. You refuse to learn the difference, and as such, are stupid. It's fact, not insult. Look at the definition. And with that--you can have this corner, silently gleeing at an empty victory, for I doubt that your God will forgive you for not using the gifts He gave you.
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And with that, I'm out. Don't reply back or ask me back or anything to that matter unless you all want a REAL debate, and not some empty "I cant hear you, I can't hear you" game.
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Because you are a Darwinist who believes apes morphed into men and you wholly disapprove of me, these facts testify to my rightness. Your approval would have proven my wrongness.
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06-22-2006 2:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 67 by Cold Foreign Object
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Re: General philosophy versus science
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06-22-2006 2:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 69 by AdminNWR
06-22-2006 2:32 PM

Re: General philosophy versus science
Very well.
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