If God is dead, does mankind become God?

I was paraphrasing. Please dispense with the hair splitting

Did Jesus do the same?From another thread:

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...That being said, the most offensive thing anyone could say to the fear and ego driven heart is, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me."

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That is the ultimate, staggering, and exclusive claim to sovereignty. It is also a completely reasonable statement. Even so, such a statement is either motivated by the purest form of ego, and/or, it intends to manipulate by the most blatant use of fear, or such a statement is the most selfless expression and profound truth that any man will ever hear. It is a claim that only God can make consistently.

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I believe that is why C.S. Lewis wrote the following:

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“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ”I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic”on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg”or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

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I'm not even going to argue with you ringo. You cannot hear, you cannot see, and you would not if you could.As you project your own addiction to your own God on me, you only make the disease worse for yourself.If you don't like preaching, then stop!Take a vacation...

As I said in the larger part of my main point to begin this thread:

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We all must have a purpose or we cannot get out of bed in the morning. For some it is pleasure, for others it is carrying their cross. Their are as many truths that fuel a man as there are cultures. Without a purpose, or a belief that one's purpose has been lost, many take their own lives.

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Although most of you do not seem to me to be wanting a discussion so much as meat for the pack to devour, I would still rather have you out here than calling it quits and cashing in your chips just yet.Though this pearls to swine game is getting old and I must get to sleep for the night, it is strangely nice to know that some things don't change. After all... a god... any god... is absolute!Sovereignty is sovereignty!Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

You know Ifen, I don't personally have problem with your post being off topic. All of these topics seems to meld into one another.But it is interesting that you sugest the whole 'oneness thing'. It's pretty popular these days.Jesus said, I have not come to unite but divide. He said alot of things like that, and there were a lot of witnesses. It was recorded in languages that are still spoken and written today. Languages such as Hebrew, greek, and Latin that were written languages.Furthermore people gave their lives to make sure what was spoken was not altered. Apostle's strongarmed, imprisoned, and crucified (literally) for not being willing to compromise the truth.All this talk about mistranslation is preposterous. Perhaps you could say that for the Old Testament which was once carried by an oral tradition, but not about Jesus, who by the way confirmed the Old Testament. He quoted it as having authority, and as proof of His own personage.He said absolutely outrageous things! Things that if not true are blasphemous in the highest degree even to you! That is why they crucified Him.

I am not even going to try to bring all of that back into context Ringo. You just spin what you have to... I don't have time for it...

Reality means a lot of things to a lot of people. whatever that is, that is their God. I want you to listen to me...I did not, have, sexual relations, with that woman, Miss Lewinski.Denial is the sickest and most selfish of defenses.

Crash, before I respond to that...

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After battling with some of the others here at EvC, I must say, that you, are a reasonable individual by comparison. I'm not patronizing... just stating fact! Please take that as a compliment. My guess is that it makes you grimmace to receive it, as much as I grimmace in offerring it...It is not that we need different words for the same thing, it is just that we have (as a culture) lost sight of what words really mean.I was recently reminded that in the nineties, a CNN reporter asked the 'man on the street' if words have any meaning. (What? If they don't have any meaning, then what did the question mean?) The majority of respondants said 'no' or 'not really'. It was all in response to the famous line, "... that all depends on what is means."It is far too common for people to avoid being pinned by condemning language by evading and questioning the meaning of the words themselves. Does it not occur to them that they are using words in the process?That having been said, I personally find it utterly confirming that the Bible uses synonomous terms, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'A lot of things are synonomous, i.e. words, ideas, communication, enlightenment, or knowledge; they are all synonomous within this paragraph. You should not be suprised at this... There may be some overlap into differing contexts, but that is how we flow from one concept to another while tying them all together. The adding of dimensions causes us to see deeper, farther, and wider.Truth, reality, God, perfection, life, justice, morality, mercy, and love are all synonomous to me. They all equate to what is real, eternal, righteous, and glorious. They are not just wordy... I am not suggesting that my reality or your reality is actual reality. I am only saying that we each operate on something that plays the part of actual reality in our subconscious minds. So, just any old program won't do... only the actual reality can be united to. Anything false truth will only seperate us from other's individual realities.For example, if I believe that 2+2=7, then I am out of touch with reality and operating on my own reality in place of the real thing. But since reality is not mine to own, my reality is irrelevant. Ultimately, the only thing useful to me beyond my self, is actual reality.That is why we should seek reality itself. To do so is part of selflessness itself. When we agree, we are united. But agreement is not itself the only rule. If it were, the we could say that the Nazi's vision could have brought peace. No, I am not talking about false peace, but true peace.Admittedly none of us has a total grasp of reality (i.e. truth). If we did, we would literally be God. I think we would all agree that some of us have more of the whole (holy) picture than others, even if we disagree on the who's who question.So mankind can only be God in his mind, not in actual reality; unless, mankind is God. Personally, I think that we ultimately we were meant to be part of God. Not God Himself, but a part of perfection, utopia, heaven, harmony, and unity within the diversity of those things.Furthermore, it is not that man becoming God in his mind kills reality. Reality cannot die because by definition, it is eternal. That tends to exclude finite mankind. But if we could find God, then we could taste the infinite and the eternal.Whatever reality is, it excludes all the other possibilities and is eternal. To prove that, consider that if you disagree, and were to say that actual reality [does not] exclude the other possible [exclusive] reality, then that [non-exclusive] reality would become the [exclusive] eternal actual reality. The argument is nonsensicle and defeats itself.If God is dead, then we must become God even though we cannot be. Therefore God is not dead. Neitzsche was right that we killed Him. But you can't keep a good man down. Many have tried...

Sorry you feel that way Crash... Maybe I did too many drugs back in the days. I was not always a Christian. Maybe I gave up my life too soon. All I know is that it is more clear to me than anything else. It's not complicated. In fact, it's so simple that I should have seen it a long time ago. But I wasn't looking for it. I was looking for my own reality...I can appriciate my own words sounding like philosobabble. That was a fair blow. I just know that many reject the Bible out of hand and therefore miss an opportunity to see that these concepts are there. So my thinking is that if I can get the concepts accross first, then point to the Bible as the source, then a few folks are bound to scratch their heads and see.It works every time, but the numbers are far fewer than I can believe... Perhaps I should just stick to the scriptures themselves and eliminate those closed minded from the start. My word often returns to me void. God's word is shown to never fail when looking at the whole show and not just one scene called now.It is simple,and more so than a freshman can appriciate. It's more like a child's view altogether. The obvious and the common. Certainly not glamorous, just glorious.We don't have to agree. It is not my job to persuade. You must do what you think is right. All I encourage you to do is think for yourself. Ask the questions, and expect an answer. You never know who will answer. Maybe a stupid truck driver...Perhaps a man named Ed Ames: It is my blief that Jesus was God's final answer... If we do not take the offer, then we are doomed to playing the part of God and creating hell for ourselves. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

What is life?Or as God said to Adam, 'where are you?'There is no now, for it was three words ago, or was it five? Who can be sure, so that it is gone and never was... Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

I'm going to have to get to work (already late). If you really want me to answer these questions I'll give it a go at a later time. But I may dissapoint you.A great question is, who will answer?It is interesting that God (in the biblical sense) asks in many different books and chapters, the kind of questions that only He can answer.If you endeavor to ask Him the questions CK, the answers will be forthcoming. But they are not the answers your looking for. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

I see your point! It's not like there are any consequences to playing God...Seriously?Is there not a difference between playing God, and obeying God?Hitler played God. Hitlers enemies obeyed God and killed Hitler.The difference is striking to me. If only it were always that clear in every situation.Ramoss,can we count on you to help reveal the difference when the devil is in the details?

Of course it's dangerous, and of course it can be self delusional. but it is not always the case. NO!

Stalin had his own motivations as does every man. But this has little to do with whether or not God is obeyed. Evil peole do the right things all the time, because it is expediant for them. Sometimes they even do it because it is right.Then they talk of how good they are and troll for compliments and honor. A place in the history books. "My look how much he did for mankind."It all goes right back to the topic...Does any man deserve the credit for straightening out mankind, when all but one are crooked serpents having his part in the mother Hydra?Yes, but only the one, and either He is God and spoke the truth, or we are God because He was a liar.It's not complicated, but we all appriciate your efforts to make it so. Thank you so much for the helping hand. Perhaps we (as Babylon)will erect a memorial in your honor or the honor and image of your father. Someday...

Me too. The Bible is not one of them. It speaks very clearly. so clearly that the doublemindedness of men cannot hear what it says or see what it shows. It's not a problem of interpretaion. It's a problem of rebellion. It's a problem of sin. The Bible makes it plain. Are you asking, who will answer?Who is qualified? Who can claim to know? Who has the authority to make such affirmations? Who is completely submitted to reality and God's will? Who is so uniquely righteous that they dare claim such blasphemy? Would they not be the biggest liar of all? Would they not be worthy of death? Even crucifiction? After all, He would preach of death for the non-believing?To hell with us? Ha ha, to hell with Him!Can we even believe in such a man?If so, it would be no mere man such as Rob or Ramoss. It would have to be one incredibly extraordinary man. One man said, "Why don't you judge for yourseves what is right?" The difference is pretending we are Gods with amnesia vs. acknowledging what we know is right when confronted with it head on.