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Message 137 of 308 (340805)
08-17-2006 11:58 AM

Reply to: Message 135 by PurpleYouko
08-17-2006 9:38 AM

Re: Thanks Purple and Matt...

Keep in mind that the amount of 14C found in any ground sample is proportional to the level of local background radioactivity. This could only be true if the radioactivity were responsible for the 14C.

I don't know if this is correct or not. It seems to me that this is a prediction made by the theory that C14 in the soil is created in situ by decay (fission or otherwise) of Uranium. If it has already been observed then it is corroborating eveidence. If not then it would be an extremely useful experiment to perform.

If it is found to be true (or has been) for a representative number of samples, then it pretty much confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that C14 is being created in situ and thereby making older soils (which should not have any C14) look younger.

I think Percy is referring to Carbon-14 in Coal Deposits; although that's talking about coal, not "any ground sample", and in her paraphrase of Dr. Gove's email she states:

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In the course of this work, they've discovered that fossil fuels vary widely in 14C content. Some have no detectable 14C; some have quite a lot of 14C. Apparently it correlates best with the content of the natural radioactivity of the rocks surrounding the fossil fuels, particularly the neutron- and alpha-particle-emitting isotopes of the uranium-thorium series. Dr. Gove and his colleagues told me they think the evidence so far demonstrates that 14C in coal and other fossil fuels is derived entirely from new production of 14C by local radioactive decay of the uranium-thorium series

which is not quite the same thing as background radiation. Maybe your academic resources could dig up some of the primary literature on this?

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Message 150 of 308 (341552)
08-19-2006 10:06 PM

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08-19-2006 7:22 PM

Re: So what?

I'll go out on a limb and speculate that chemical bonds have little influence on atomic reactions,

ITYM "nuclear reactions". Or maybe "nucular reactions"

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Message 161 of 308 (342319)
08-22-2006 9:36 AM

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08-22-2006 1:58 AM

Re: The earth shields the beryllium within the earth

The coloumb barrier is only an issue when the alpha particle actually reaches a target.

incorrect

Penetration and Shielding

Alpha particles interact with matter primarily through coulomb forces between their positive charge and the negative charge of the atomic electrons within the absorber.

Wrong. The Coulomb force is not the Coulomb barrier. Try again.

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Message 167 of 308 (342531)
08-22-2006 9:52 PM

Reply to: Message 165 by PurpleYouko
08-22-2006 4:10 PM

OT: Decay of 40K in the body

That makes an average of 2.82 billion disintigrations per year from Uranium alone. The real number is much higher for right now since the real fit is exponential. Nearer to 10 billion.

I know this is OT, but I gotta mention it; the RATE group is porposing accelerated decay, much of it during Noah's Fludde, when the water would shield Noah and his animals from the radiation. Supposedly. One of these days I'm going to get aroudn to figurign the aount of ⁴⁰K in a 100 kg human, and the effect of speeding up the dacay of that ⁴⁰K by a factor of a million or billion.

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Message 171 of 308 (342693)
08-23-2006 9:10 AM

Reply to: Message 169 by johnfolton
08-23-2006 12:07 AM

Re: the crystal structure of beryllium is hcp (hexagonal close-packed).

However even if the coloumb barrier was being violated by the alpha particle there still is not enough neutrons from a evolutionists perspective (to explain them affecting the initial setting of the various radioactive clocks) to explain away a young earth.

You are blathering worse than ever. I can't detect any relationship between your post and the issues we are discussing.

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Message 180 of 308 (342995)
08-24-2006 1:28 PM

Reply to: Message 156 by PurpleYouko
08-21-2006 11:52 AM

Re: Jackpot

This is by far the most informative information that I have come across so far.

In This Article we see tables of low Z elements that will release a neutron via collision with alpha particles. There are actually a lot more of them than I had previously thought.

Sorry for leaving this as a bare link. The darn thing is a pdf and doesn't easily lend itself to conversion to text.(Try loooking at the html version for a laugh)

FWIW, I'm very interested in studying that articl and having it for reference, so I pumped it into OmniPage, which did a pretty good job of recognizing it. I cleaned it up some, but there are probably a few mistakes left. The Origin of Neutron Radiation. I'm not guaranteeing the link will work forever.

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Message 184 of 308 (343028)
08-24-2006 3:59 PM

Reply to: Message 181 by PurpleYouko
08-24-2006 1:31 PM

Re: Jackpot

The darn thing is still a pdf though. I already had one of those.

Ah, but it's a PDF of text, the other was a PDF of pictures of text. You can cut-and-paste text from the one I did.

Want a Word version?

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