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Author Topic:   Does radio-carbon dating disprove evolution?
Dr Adequate
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Message 220 of 308 (476491)
07-24-2008 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Minnemooseus
07-24-2008 5:03 AM


Re: Reference(s) please
He must be talking about this.
As they report, the oldest subfossil wood they could find was 9,400 years old. Obviously they don't claim that this is evidence for a young Earth, because they're not nuts in the head.
The trees in question are not "tropical", they are Siberian larches.
You see why creationists avoid giving references?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 227 of 308 (476527)
07-24-2008 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by johnfolton
07-24-2008 1:40 PM


Re: Reference(s) please
Think Dr. Adequate link is the right study but not the actual link to all the data?
Okay, in that case there's a couple of things you should know.
First, the Siberian larch, as its name suggests, is not a tropical tree.
Second, there is no reason to suppose that the Earth is no older than the oldest subfossil wood on the Yamal Peninsula. On the contrary, the Earth can't be younger than that; but there's no reason at all why it shouldn't be older, is there?
Oh, and here's a table of their data.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 231 of 308 (476534)
07-24-2008 2:45 PM
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07-24-2008 2:12 PM


Re: Reference(s) please
It appears not the same study that included other vegetation
When you find evidence that any of it was tropical, let me know.
This is highly unlikely given that we have a 9,400 year record of Siberian larches growing there; and tropical vegetation and Siberian larches are suited to different climates.
if you find the study you will find nothing dated older than 9,600 years interesting that the siberian larch not older than 9,400 years.
According to Wikipedia (I can't find a better reference, sorry) geologists say the Yamal peninsula itself is only about 10,000 years old, so the wood on it is hardly going to be older.
You have no idea when the earth itself was created given the elements that make up the earth that are dated were created before the earth itself was created.
Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. Also, you should find out how radiometric dating works. Of course they are not finding the age of the atoms, that would be pointless, not to mention impossible.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 249 of 308 (476605)
07-25-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by johnfolton
07-25-2008 8:22 AM


Re: Nonsense
If you want to educate yourself about C-14 instead of spouting out nonsense check out what Kent Hovinds site actually has to say about C-14.
I have looked at what this notorious liar and fraud says about a subject of which he is completely ignorant.
He claims, amongst other things, that sunspots affect the decay rate.
This is almost as amusing as your gibberish about polystrate fossils, and equally "educational".
Education, you see, isn't just about learning what creationists say, it's about learning why it's complete crap. When you have done so, you may consider yourself educated on the subjects of which you so blithely discourse.

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