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Hyroglyphx
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Message 73 of 301 (347018)
09-06-2006 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by crashfrog
09-06-2006 3:25 PM


Re: On translation
Why? Why would they choose to use different synonyms if, as you suggest, it's a simple matter of looking up the transliteration in a dictionary?
The reason is for clarity. The King James is written in old English amd hardly anyone speaks this way any longer. It tends to be difficult for younger people to read it. So, the NIV or the New KJ offers a more present-day vernacular so as to allow the reader the most clarity. Changing 'thou' to 'you' does not change the meaning portrayed in the original Scripture.
No, but it means I'm a less experienced person; a person with less of a record of proven judgement; a person with less professional contacts; a person with less of a proven ability to manage others, work from a budget, and do all the other stuff my boss does.
For some bosses its all about connections and not about experience. But yes, these attributes are what typifies what a boss is.
The assertion of the Bible is that men are superior to women in life. Not specific to any context, but just in general. How does that not carry a negative connotation? It's a negative statement.
I disagree. I think its just recognizing that God bestows certain qualitative personalities and physical and mental attributes that are better suited for certain situations. For instance: Why is are the sexes separated in sports? Why is there women's basketball and women's tennis? Why not just tennis or just basketball. Its probably because there really is a disparity between men and women physically. This doesn't mean that all women are incapable of playing sports beter than men. Not at all. Its just saying that on average, men are built differently than women. Its true. If it weren't then we'd have no basis for distinguishing between men and women. We'd all be one lump of androgenous flesh if it were any other way.
Having said that, women obviously excel in some areas where men just aren't as good, by nature, in certain aspects. We don't know why exactly, but women are just more verbal than men and they tend to score higher on tests than men in this area. Its just the way it is.
What do you think goes on in a home that needs to be "overseen"? Isn't it a little ridiculous to assert that homemaking is so complicated that you need a whole command structure to make it work?
Well, by the home, I meant the family. Matters of the physical 'home' have been traditionally overseen by women, and their attention to detail has allowed for them to excel in superiority. Females are typically more attentive to the needs of others, whereas men tend to be a bit more oblivious to that. However, men tend to be a bit more pragmatic on monetary matters. They tend not to inject as much emotion into critical matters as women. And again, this isn't the case for every home or for every person. I think the message is that its ideal this way whenever possible.
Have you ever gone out to eat with some friends? Who usually picks the restaurant? I presume you all do. Somehow you're all able to do that without one person needing to take the role of an overseer. Why do you think it works differently when you're married? What do you think happens in a home that two adults can't deal with as partners, without needing one person to be master and the other to be subordinate?
When you're on a date, who usually picks up the tab? When you are on a date, who opens the cardoor for the other person? When you are on a date who typically drives their own vehicle and basically chauffeurs their date? Men and women naturally fall into these roles. Yes, I believe that society has alot to do with establishing these roles and perpetuating them. I also believe, however, that these are natural inclinations that should not be dismissed. You can look at this from an anthropological standpoint. According to evolutionary anthropological history of mankind, males were the hunters and females were the gatherers. Even in the animal kingdom, males tend to rule the roost. Thats just the way nature tends to sort things out. I don't know what more I can say about it, other than I believe the Biblical perspective to correct in its assessment.
Show me in the Bible where it says that a man should submit to his wife as he submits to God. It doesn't, right?
It says it in the verse I provided. There are other verses in the Bible that speak about it. I found a great article that elucidates the point of mutual submission.

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 85 of 301 (347123)
09-06-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by crashfrog
09-06-2006 5:21 PM


Re: On translation
I think you're just interpreting the Bible in your own context, to mean what you wish it to mean. Just like those other guys.
Okay, how about this one?
"Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun-- all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 9:9
Solomon was a bit dark, but he sure loved his women.
"Wives, in the same way, accept the authority of your husbands, so that, even if some of them do not obey the Word, they may be won over without a word by their wives' conduct, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Do not adorn yourselves outwardly by braiding your hair, and by wearing gold ornaments or fine clothing; rather, let your adornment be the inner self with the lasting beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in God's sight. It was in this way long ago that the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves by accepting the authority of their husbands. Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. You have become her daughters as long as you do what is good and never let fears alarm you. Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex, since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life--so that nothing may hinder your prayers." -1stPeter 3:1-7
"Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them. Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged. Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism." -Colossians 3:18-25
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self”‘control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you-although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.
Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs-how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world-how he can please his wife- and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world- how she can please her husband? I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin-this man also does the right thing. So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is-and I think that I too have the Spirit of God."
-1st Corinthians 7:1-40
This was about all of the Bible verses on marriage I know about that aren't little blurbs.

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 87 of 301 (347140)
09-06-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
09-06-2006 6:04 PM


Re: On translation
Since nemesis_juggernaut is the one who's against "modernizing", I was just pointing out his self-inconsistency.
How am I against modernizing?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 88 of 301 (347141)
09-06-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
09-06-2006 6:30 PM


Re: On translation
Logically, he's shot down his own argument. Whether he admits it or not is irrelevant logically, Biblically, locally, territorially, emotionally, loudly, definitely, equivocally, dispensationally, metamorphically, metaphorically, metaphysically.
How exactly have I accomplished this?

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