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joshua221 
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Message 72 of 124 (347371)
09-07-2006 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by ThingsChange
09-07-2006 8:28 AM


Re: The Wealth Of Nations is the bankruptcy of Culture
quote:
You are blaming the wrong thing. Corruption is the biggest problem. That is why Mexico is a failure and their citizens seeking work here (along with their thugs). Corruption and lack of incentive for workers is why communism fails.
Don't worry, though. The flood of uneducated people from culture-of-corruption Mexico will drain America and bring us down with them. The Democrats would rather have more votes than save the country, and the Republicans would rather have cheap labor. Neither one is representing what the citizens want (i.e. stop the flood and don't make them citizens).
That's horrible, when because you live in a certain area, you are desensitized to believing that other humans are different than you.
I thought at first that you were kidding, but your "From:" says Mexican colony or whatever.

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joshua221 
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Message 78 of 124 (347407)
09-07-2006 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by CK
09-07-2006 8:11 PM


Re: Let's start with a simple question
I have studied Smith in Western Civ. and AP American.
I already told you that he is below me. Money is below me. It should be below you too.
I am not running, chatter about money/economics/economists, is worthless.
I wouldn't waste my time actually reading any of his horrible titles.
I know what he's about, he is very important to our country, and to industry, and to competition, and to perpetuating this rat-race.
Free trade, competition, to work out problems. Where competition weeds out bad business right?
Who cares man, who cares. Not me.

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joshua221 
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Message 79 of 124 (347408)
09-07-2006 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Archer Opteryx
09-07-2006 9:36 PM


lol
Don't make me diss Taiwan.
I used to play with action figures.

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joshua221 
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Message 81 of 124 (347428)
09-07-2006 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by kuresu
09-07-2006 11:03 PM


Re: Let's start with a simple question
I am trying to get my point across.
I explained why I will never read his books.
I explained why I didn't have to to write a good OP.
So whatever dawgs.
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

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joshua221 
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Message 90 of 124 (347611)
09-08-2006 7:25 PM


This is just about the funniest thing.
I created a short paragraph. In this short paragraph I used Adam Smith who has come to represent Capitalism's name.
People asked me if I actually knew anything about Adam Smith. Simple people like CK, and Archer, who I have lost all hope for, like mathematicians, businessmen, or studiers of science, had great desire to discuss Adam Smith, and the history of Adam Smith, facts about Adam Smith, Smith's wonderfully complex theories that are so beyond me. Things that I tried telling them didn't matter. But like the man in the cave I was told to go away.
This all may seem ludacris coming from someone who hasn't even read Adam Smith, viewed as a weakness, and milked for all that it was worth by people who would rather focus on my personal credentials, rather than the actual ideas of my initial post. I was told to go read a book, and told that I could not have a decent discussion with someone who is quite blantantly the definition of a simpleton, who can't think outside of what a book based on trivialities has to say.
I am quite amazed at how this all went down. Disgusted actually.
Can't you see that economic theory has no bearing on reality, it's an illusion, open your eyes.
I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS POST WASN'T ABOUT YOUR DEAD THEORIES THAT HOLD NO IMPORTANCE IN THE EYES OF GOD, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR SUCKING ME INTO IT, AND BRINGING ME DOWN WITH YOU INTO THE FIERY PITS OF MEANINGLESSNESS, MEDIOCRITY, AND MINDLESSNESS.
None of you know anything.. jar was right, this discussion is worthless. You don't deserve me, you don't deserve my thoughts, you don't deserve any of what I can tell you. Because you ignore it as it hits you in the face, you can't comprehend it, and you respond spouting what is fake. You respond with nothing but ignorance, and you claim it is me who is ignorant.
You aren't going to get it even now.
You are most likely going to respond saying I should go read the works of Smith. But there is no brilliance there, there is only emptiness, and false truths.
Anti-Christ.

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joshua221 
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Message 93 of 124 (347616)
09-08-2006 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
09-08-2006 7:48 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
But my ideas were absolutely true, all of those things exist because of this system. I see it plain as day.
It's so screwed up.
Would you like me to prove that
competition
fatalities
rat-race
nicotine in cigarettes
the corporate money-making world
money
business as usual
the have-nots
the struggling
Social Darwinism
Industrialization
mediocrity
ghettoes
slums
retirement at 65
meaningless occupation
jobs
slavery
misleading the entire world
World Wars
killing for oil
Jingoism
Imperialism
borders
Nationalism
September 11th
terrorism
the primitive workings of the human mind
automobiles and thank you for pollution
not really living
the suburbs
the American Dream
conformity
glass cielings
Capitalism
the System
Don't exist because of the perpetuation of the ideas of Adam Smith. And the perpetuation of ideas like those of Adam Smith, and the ideas of economics, and competition, and material gain?
It is so obvious that these "things" have been put in place because of human nature, and men who focus there lives on what is unimportant.
It is so obvious that blame cannot be put on one man, Adam Smith.
This was of course not my point.
I don't know. I just go so angry with these posters here. They didn't get what I was getting at, and it all ended with the questioning of my credentials, which was really all too funny.

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joshua221 
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Message 94 of 124 (347617)
09-08-2006 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by nwr
09-08-2006 8:06 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
quote:
Can't you see that your own idealism has no bearing on reality?
No, it does, but the man-made systems have decieved you.
The way I put it, it sounds like Conspiracy Theory stuff, but it's not.
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

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joshua221 
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Message 98 of 124 (347621)
09-08-2006 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by nwr
09-08-2006 8:19 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
I want to take that course.
If I ever did respond to sidelined, I would have written "Rousseau's idea of a common will and understanding within a society to do what is right."
That's crazy you wrote that. He titled it the noble savage, his idea of what life should be like right? I need to take out his writing on society, I've read only shortened versions of his works dealing with education I believe.
Emile, that's the keeper.
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joshua221 
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Message 99 of 124 (347622)
09-08-2006 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by jar
09-08-2006 8:21 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
I didn't blame it all on Adam Smith, I simply borrowed his name and reputation.

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joshua221 
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Message 100 of 124 (347624)
09-08-2006 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Quetzal
09-08-2006 8:26 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
I think you're right, I should have supported my statement with evidence, but I didn't think it needed proving. In the beginning, I thought most would agree. Maybe this piece wasn't meant to be discussed. As jar said.
It's just a statement that is hard for me to explain. You know how I have been saying how it's not about Adam Smith and stuff. Maybe it's not clear, I'm not sure. It's like a poem I guess like cartman said.

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joshua221 
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Message 104 of 124 (347676)
09-08-2006 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Quetzal
09-08-2006 9:55 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
Yeah, I kind of took it that way, seeing as none of the items on your list can actually be laid at Smith's doorstep. In spite of the popular, grossly over-simplified exposure most people get, many of his ideas are actually quite good - and often very different from what is usually encapsulated. I found Wealth to be a fascinating read - even if I don't necessarily agree with everything. Rather than rejecting it wholesale, it might be worth the effort to wade through his writings. Just a thought.
Thanks, I think you're right, and I might read it. Although I stick to my views concerning economics. From what CK wrote about it, it made me want to never read it. He made it sound lame I guess.

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joshua221 
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Message 105 of 124 (347678)
09-08-2006 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Taz
09-08-2006 9:05 PM


I think I responded to much of his post.

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joshua221 
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Message 106 of 124 (347680)
09-08-2006 10:51 PM


I hope we can all agree though, that the list that I made in my OP was undoubtably caused by materialistic desires for man-made currency/power.
If I didn't use Adam Smith in the title, this 'poem' wouldn't have been the same. And probably would not have been controversial, and would require less thinking about.
Smith was a necessity to get my message across I believe.
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joshua221 
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Message 109 of 124 (347690)
09-08-2006 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
09-08-2006 10:56 PM


What?
I don't see how you could disagree with that.
The only one that is questionable is nicotine.
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.

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joshua221 
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Message 121 of 124 (347819)
09-09-2006 5:15 PM


Well, there seems to be no life in this topic which is my fault.
I agree with what everyone said, sidelined, and Brian, Phat about getting ideas across. I also note that Rousseau while brilliant, did many things during his life that I do not care to criticize. Think not of the man but of his ideas if you have any decency whatsoever.
Thanks for the tips and stuff, and the input from RickJB.
Until I feel excited about something that I want to discuss, peace out.

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