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Author Topic:   Learning exercise 1: who first stipulated that the earth was round?
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Message 1 of 29 (355464)
10-09-2006 8:46 PM


Who was the 1st to suggest the earth is round?
Not a well known fact at all as I discovered today.
The answer will be given Wednesday afternoon if nobody gets it.

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Message 6 of 29 (355482)
10-09-2006 9:39 PM


Not to be rude but can the participants please quote source material.

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Message 8 of 29 (355486)
10-09-2006 10:08 PM
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10-09-2006 9:44 PM


confusing "heliocentric model with "earth is round".........
There has been a nisunderstanding and an ignorance so great on my part it is not worth explanation.
Let's just say it has something to do with page 4 of Aquinas's 5 proofs of God.
I have thoroughly embarassed myself. I realize I can not take any words said from any source however credible without my own personal and thorough research.
It was a learning experience thank you all.
Pretty plain to see it was the Greeks.
I have nothing to add here, sorry.
botched exercise for everyone else
Edited by -messenjah of one, : sentence

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Message 21 of 29 (355579)
10-10-2006 10:23 AM
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10-10-2006 9:23 AM


I knew this was going to be brought up, almost wrote "don't quote Isaiah" but I can't say if it's true or not.
I'd have to study the original scripture myself which means knowing a few languages then discuss with biblical scholars as in those that read and interpret the languages.
I'll look into your source if your post errupts into a popular point of discussion

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Message 22 of 29 (355586)
10-10-2006 10:42 AM
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10-10-2006 12:44 AM


Re: confusing "heliocentric model with "earth is round".........
Can you imagine 1266 AD writing with ink and quill or what not and not having the luxury of making a mistake?
The 1st proof of God is seen as flawed: the infinite causal stair (effect and cause). I blelieve the church acknowledges it as being the one flaw of this genius's work.
This is known from my philosophy class and from it being common knowledge I assume.
The other 4 proofs are relatively secure I believe, I just received a summary of them, more of a lesson then a discussion from my uncle. Guy is a genius. Mentioned Kant and he went into existentialism and from a long list of names in the movement came upon "the greatest existential author, Thomas Aquinas". He's pure reason though part of his lesson is for me to read Aquinas's 5 proofs then connect it to a 1000 page philosophy book of summaries I presume then to read Hawking and how his greatest achievement was discovering "time has a beginning".
In regards to your last question no person exists. I simply thought the text said something it didn't. Aquinas simply referred to the earth being round as a well known fact derived from astronomers by mathematics and physicists by the matter itself and he was saying that you can have more than one way to prove something.
And the church was never against a round earth obviously just a heliocentric model.

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Message 27 of 29 (355933)
10-11-2006 3:10 PM
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10-11-2006 2:15 AM


Re: confusing "heliocentric model with "earth is round".........
I'm in the process of deciding that for myself by reading them...
No one is looking for new arguments. That's not at all how this works.
You have to understand I'm talking about genius that only pops up every hundred years or so.
Perhaps from how you said "looking for" you are referring to televangelists which have no connection whatsoever to intellectual discussion.
Your terms of "success" and I'm presuming failure do not apply and are inherently subjective, unscholarly and irrelevant.

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Message 29 of 29 (355978)
10-11-2006 6:44 PM
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10-11-2006 5:34 PM


Re: confusing "heliocentric model with "earth is round".........
I apologize.

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