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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In my opinion, it is impossible for one to exclude himself from "the subject of religion." Whatever is your opinion of the universe, whether you believe in the supernatural or you just believe in pure science, you have just made a religious opinion. Absolute nonsense. First, as you have been told, no one believes in Science. People accept the Scientific Method as a conclusion based on its success history and reproducibility. Third, as has been pointed out to you, many people are Theists and also accept the Scientific Method and the results it has provided. Second, the big difference between Science and any religion is that Science NEVER has the final Answer and is always ready to throw away anything when new evidence shows it is incorrect. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes. Much better wording.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As for your statement that scientist are not all godless, why is it that Evolution is completely undisputed among the scientist. Surely you agree that the idea that human beings evolved from other forms of life clashes with almost every religion. First, Evolution certainly doesn't clash with Christianity. I am a Christian and yet have no problems accepting Evolution (since that is a fact and not even open to question anymore) or that the Theory of Evolution is the best possible explanation so far for what the evidence shows. Nor am I alone. Evolution is not an issue among any Christians except those in the Cult of Ignorance. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Maybe, the reason why science is such a popular religion is because it has no rules or customs. Actually science as a profession certainly DOES have rules and customs. One is honesty, something that seems to be woefully lacking in religion. In Science, if someone is caught falsifying data, even if they are only shown to be ignoring data that might falsify their position, they WILL be sanctioned. That simply is not seen in Religion in general and specifically in Christianity. Christianity as a profession, does not sanction all of the pastors and clergy who regularly falsify data as well as ignore data that falsifies their position. Christians do not sanction and punish all the Televangelists and Pastors that deny Evolution, hide the evidence that shows the flood never happened, that the Exodus never happened, that the Conquest of Canaan never happened as described in the Bible. Unfortunately, it does seem that on the whole, Science is far more ethical than Religion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The question you have to ask yourself is how much do you involve yourself in science and how religious are you? Many people on this board claim to be religious and scientific. I challenge you people who claim to be religious and scientific. How much do you really believe in your religion? Did you contact your religious leader before you decided to study science? If you do study religion and you are a firm believer in your religion, how much do you really believe in your science? It is obvious that one can not truly believe in his religion and firmly believe in science. You know you are showing all the signs of being a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Big time member. Likely you are right up there in ignorance with so many of todays Christian Pastors. You have already been told that folk do not "believe" in Science. You have also been told that Science, including the Theory of Evolution is not a problem for Christianity, only for the Christian Cult of Ignorance. In the words of the Clergy Letter, one signed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy:
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. Please understand Open MInd, if you think there is a problem accepting Science along with Christianity you are just plain ignorant. But worry not. Ignorance is easily cured by learning. It is even fun to actually exercise your mind for the first time. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Repeat after me.
There is NO conflict between Science and Christianity, between the Theory of Evolution and Christianity or the Old Universe and Christianity. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First of all I don't know why you consider me a Christian. I never told anyone on this board what I believe in. I may truly be a scientist. Secondly, I am not coming to defend the Christian faith or dIspute it. All I do know is, there are many different oppinions in the Christian faith, and I did not see anything in your quote that resolves science with any other religion. Too funny. The old dancing Gish Gallop. It does not matter what religion (if any) you are. It's patently obvious that you know nothing about science and even less about Christianity at the least. How ever there is NOTHING in Science that conflicts with any religion. You've been told this many times. Science does not address the supernatural. It really is as simple as that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You have just simply ignored all of my points. You seem to think that a religion requires a supernatural being. This is not true. You seem to think that science has not made up anything; however, I have already showed you how the gravitational "force" is a completely made up concept. The idea that anything with a mass carries an attractive force sounds as supernatural as any other religious belief. And you have also been told that is just ONE current explanation for Gravity and even those are held tentatively. It has also been shown that it is NOT something made up but rather simply a description of what is observed. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Does anyone really not understand what I just said? Or are you determined to deny everything, even at the expense of your own reputation as an intelligent and honest participant, in a debate that has extreme consequences for all humanity? What you said is nonsense, we understand it fully. It is also totally irrelevant, unimportant and inane. There is no evidence of a designer or of anything being designed. Sorry, perhaps when someone finally produces some such evidence that stands up to scientific rigor it can be considered. Until then science simply takes no position. Man evolved. That is fact. You or I or anyone else is still free to hold a position of belief. We may even believe that GOD directed the world we see around us. That is irrelevant to science. Science simply investigates the HOW of what happened and what will happen. If we believe GOD did it, science only tells us How God Did It. But that is a belief. That is all. A belief. And the consequences of not holding that belief? None. Absolutely none. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No one has denied there are absolutes.
The rest of your post is just off topic nonsense. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well what you posted in Message 101 was not simply wrong, off topic and inane, it was yet another example of the dishonesty of so many Christians like yourself.
In Message 101 you posted:
jar: Man evolved. That is fact. And the consequences of not holding that belief? None. Absolutely none. Now that's funny! which appears as though you are actually quoting me when in fact, you were quotemining, taking things I said out of context. What I actually said can be seen by all in Message 100. Just so all the readers will see the total bankruptcy of you as a proponent of Christianity or even basic morality, here is that message in toto. From Message 100 What you said is nonsense, we understand it fully. It is also totally irrelevant, unimportant and inane. There is no evidence of a designer or of anything being designed. Sorry, perhaps when someone finally produces some such evidence that stands up to scientific rigor it can be considered. Until then science simply takes no position. Man evolved. That is fact. You or I or anyone else is still free to hold a position of belief. We may even believe that GOD directed the world we see around us. That is irrelevant to science. Science simply investigates the HOW of what happened and what will happen. If we believe GOD did it, science only tells us How God Did It. But that is a belief. That is all. A belief. And the consequences of not holding that belief? None. Absolutely none. Your postings here at EvC have show a consistent inability to portray what others say with anything even close to honesty. I am sorry but that also seems a Characteristic of many Biblical Christians, particularly with those from the non-denominational Christian sects and Biblical Literalists. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I ain't buying it Ringo... If the purpose for asking questions is to find answers, then what conclusions have you reached that are true? What absolute truth did you discover? LOL There goes the Absolute Truth flyby again.
If you can not know for sure, then you can go on asking questions forever. Good. You are finally getting it. Yet once again, what the hell does any of your post have to do with the subject? In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Is Science a Religion?" Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are acting as though that is a conclusion jar... But in defense of infinite questions????? How can you know for sure that you can't know for sure? More silly nonsense. Answers should always be questioned. I'm sorry but Ravi reminds me far to much of Charley McCarthy. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Rob, do you EVERY plan on posting something that is on topic, makes any sense, is even close to being accurate or that has a point?
I realize asking for all of the above in one messsage may be too much but do you think maybe you can shoot for getting at least one of them in a message? In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Is Science a Religion?" Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is that a question with an answer jar? Or have you already arrived at an absolute conclusion? The question, "Is Science a Religion" has been answered with a high degree of confidence. The Answer is, "No, Science is not a Religion." Until a sufficient body of evidence is presented to challenge that conclusion it can be considered settled. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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