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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Why wouldn't it be just and correct? To kill me for no reason. (Allowed because society condones it.) It isn't just because humans each have a dignity that should not be violated. All humans are each unique and special, different. To violate the lives of any human is (in the most general sense) wrong. Of course certain exceptions apply but we are not discussing this in terms of hypothetical examples but in terms of reason.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Prophyx writes: They are not educated. They live in ignorance and sometimes expound it for their own benefit. Are you educated beyond the level of 'other societies?' Please feel free to tell us how educated you are and how you have managed to 'escape ignorance' relative to others.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Since, according to you, all people are born with the ability to know what is right, then you, as a subset of all people, should be able to tell us what is right and what is wrong. This isn't what the thread is about, if one is educated and understands morality, then any hypothetical example could be worked out. We aren't dealing with examples of morality but with morality itself.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
To violate the lives of any human is (in the most general sense) wrong. Just another unsupported assertion. Why is it wrong? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
prophyx writes: This isn't what the thread is about, if one is educated and understands morality, then any hypothetical example could be worked out. We aren't dealing with examples of morality but with morality itself. If you can't define what you are discussing by providing examples, then you are talking about nothing.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
You are an inmate in a concentration camp. A sadistic guard is about to hang your son who tried to escape and wants you to pull the chair from underneath him. He says that if you don't he will not only kill your son but some other innocent inmate as well. You don't have any doubt that he means what he says. What should you do? I can see that you ripped it straight off of the internet, but that does not diminish the validity of this "moral dilemma". A dilemma such as this forces you to put a "value" on human life. Something that is extremely crude and lowly. I guess I am supposed to write that 2 humans dead is not as bad a 1 human dead although the first to die is related to you. Immanuel Kant "Perfect Duty". I choose to do nothing. (Thanks Chris)
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
We aren't dealing with examples of morality but with morality itself.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Re-read my post, I believe I said something about humans each having a special dignity.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Define morality. If you can't, then there is no topic.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Re-read my post, I believe I said something about humans each having a special dignity. Another special pleading and unsupported assertion. Do you have any real reasons for your position? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Are you educated beyond the level of 'other societies?' Please feel free to tell us how educated you are and how you have managed to 'escape ignorance' relative to others. I attempt to understand morality through reason.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
I choose to do nothing in reference to:
You are an inmate in a concentration camp. A sadistic guard is about to hang your son who tried to escape and wants you to pull the chair from underneath him. He says that if you don't he will not only kill your son but some other innocent inmate as well. You don't have any doubt that he means what he says. What should you do this contradicts:
To violate the lives of any human is (in the most general sense) wrong.
from his message 16. how do you live with yourself?it's not okay to violate human life but it is? hypocrite.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Define morality. If you can't, then there is no topic. I attempt to understand morality through reason. I am not GOD.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
how do you live with yourself? it's not okay to violate human life but it is? hypocrite. How did I say it was? I chose to do nothing. People get so emotional, so flustered, so irritated, they can't stand to hear it. They seek comfort. They don't want this.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
do you believe morality to be god-given?
if so, why bother understanding morality through reason? you don't have a say in what is moral if it's god-give. As you yourself claim, you're not god.
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