Abortion - Moments of (Mis)Conception

Hi crashfrog, I am not dealing in scientific studies, I deal in reality with real people, and whether you or science believes my methods work or not THEY DO WORK.Will they work for everyone no way. Since 1969 until now only 3 girls and 1 boy we taught has messed up out of the hundreds that have sat in our classrooms. I just wish I could have done more. They are available everywhere, even in schools. But we will never pass them out to people in Church. It is my position 1 man 1 woman after marriage. I just have to deal with all the others because we are human not perfect beings. That may well be your position. But mine is that sex is not appropriate outside of marriage. crash you use a word in the above quote that I have never used or typed so that is a very bad representation of anything that I have posted.

You can take the 2 put them two millimeters apart and as long as they do not unite they will never produce a human being.

Really crashfrog Why would those who know me (you don't) keep secrets from me. They know I am only here to help. I don't judge, I don't condemn, I just try to help them work through any problems they are having.You are assuming a lot, PEOPLE LIKE ME. Who you confusing me with? What has that got to do with the following that I was trying to answer? Please don't put words in my mouth I mess up enough all by myself. crash as I have said I am a realist and know that people are going to have abortions, but because they do I do not have to condone it.

There has to be a beginning.

It is wonderful that you have overcome the pain from ab, but you are still suffering as you have the anger, and resentment.You are totally within your rights to be mad, frustrated and even bewildered at the attitude and actions of others from what I have read in your posts. But because they are ignorant should not keep you from going on with your life and enjoying it to the fullest, which the anger will keep you from doing.

Why do I have to have a reason or basis, it is my opinion and no one elses.Edited by ICANT, : left out a couple of words

I think you and the rest misunderstand my position on abortion.
I don't know how to state it without getting a time out.The courts have said ab is legal.
I believe it is murder. Does that make it so.
I believe every aborted fetus whether aborted medically or naturally is a living soul, that goes to be with God.It is not my job to determine if an abortion is warranted or not I am not a doctor, a judge or deity. I don't think that would be feasible because of time involved. burials are only necessary to keep decaying bodies from lying around.If you haven't gotten it from my posts I am not anti abortion. I just believe to take a human life if murder. Message 15 As I look at those numbers, abortion is doing more for God than I could ever hope to accomplish in many lifetimes.Why should I be upset. I just have to deal with the problems that have been created.

Being nonjudgmental is one of the hardest things to do but if I do judge I try to make sure the person I am dealing with never knows it. I just have to try to keep my personal convictions personal. Are you telling me that abstinence will not work it people practice it? I am a pastor. Does that make me something other than a human. There are probably many millions of people that would not confide in me. But I truly believe that there is not a single person in my congregation that would not confide in me as I have never broken their trust, and I have heard it all I think, probably not as I am learning a lot here.Hopefully it will make me a better listener and a better help to those suffering from abortion issues. A little honesty now crash quit putting words in my mouth. Message 126
I think you are right that I do condone it as I believe all aborted fetus go to heaven.I also believe in obeying the law.But that still does not make it right.

I have stated many times I believe taking a human life is murder.
So I will expand, it does not make any difference whether that life is a fetus or a teenager or a 90 year old. I accuse no one because our court system and congress has told everyone that it is OK. I only state my personal belief concerning taking the life of another human being.nator as to your specific cases I think my above statement says it all.I am sure that all my beliefs that I have accumulated over the years clouds my understanding. That is precisely why I am here trying to learn how I can better serve my people.I am far from perfect but I want to be the best for those having problems relating to ab as well as many other things.It is great to have the input and a place to air my views and gather new views by honing the old ones. When I mentioned time I was refering to how long the sperm and egg could live outside the human body. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

But you implied that because I was a Pastor that I was some kind of monster or something.I realize most pro life people are extremist, but I don't consider myself one of them. The only thing I am an extremist about is the taking of a human life, be it fetus, or adult. In 40 years it has not been a problem. If I did not believe that any person in my congregation would not come to me with a problem concerning abortion or anything else, I would tend my resignation immediately. But we are getting off topic. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

You can put me on record as saying I believe that taking a human life is murder I don't care if it is a fetus, small child, teenager, adult even if state, doctor, or individual administered, I do not know how to say it any plainer that that. Do I believe a woman having an abortion is a murderer? I believe she is consenting to it and will have to answer to herself and God for it. The person performing the abortion in my view would be committing murder.Answering to herself is why I am here posting to see how I can better help those who come to me who are suffering from their self inflicted pain and pain inflicted by ignorant, selfish, self-righteous fanatics.I think I have stated enough times what I believe about murder being the taking of human life. Now lets put that dead horse to rest. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

I have thoroughly enjoyed these encounters and have learned much that I will be able to use in helping those I counsel Pre and Post abortion. There have been things pointed out that I may have been insensitive to in the past that I need to correct.If any of you can think of anything we have not discussed here or that would be off topic that can help me to help those I council with concerning abortion please send it to me.I am grateful to our admin. for allowing us to stray off topic so many times. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

#1 I believe that at conception human life begin.
RAZD does the best job of trying to define the point of human life on his Index and Essays that I have seen. Even though I don't agree.http://razd.evcforum.net/index.htm#2 No, I believe they are living sperm and egg.
My sperm count is 0 and therefore i can not produce anything as I had a vas.#3 Yes, the same position seems the same for pro-choice as well.
I think we have proved this point in the previous posts.