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How does science disprove the Bible?

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Message 141 of 310 (409203)
07-07-2007 11:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 136 by ICANT
07-07-2007 11:12 PM

Re: Re-Time
If the sun took a 10 degree movement back along its path it takes around the milky way, who would notice?
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Um, that would move the sun over 6,000 light years from us.
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I think someone might notice.
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If the earth reversed so as to move the shadow of the sun 10 degrees that would amount to about 36 minutes average.
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If the earth even stopped, forget reverse, everything on it would be destroyed.
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How can you even post such really silly nonsense.
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I'm sorry, but all you do is make Christians look really stupid.
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07-08-2007 12:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 142 by kbertsche
07-08-2007 12:08 AM

Re: Re-long day
kbertscheposts:
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Again from EBC:
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The Hebrew word ”amad (“stand,” “stand still,” or “stop”) is used for the moon in parallel with damam for the sun. The word ”amad was used in 3:16 to say that the waters of the Jordan “stopped flowing.” In a poetic passage like this, it could mean “stop moving” or even “stop shining.”
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Or it could even mean stop blowing bubbles or stop singing Suwanee.
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Sorry but that is just more "Theology by making shit up."
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If we are just gonna make up what gets stopped, it could be anything. If it could be "Stop Shining" why not "Stop making Matzoh balls?
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Why keep making stuff up? Why not just admit it is just a plot device to make the story interesting?
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The important point of the story is that "God's side won."
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After all, all of the available evidence is that the Conquest of Canaan never happened as described in Joshua anyway?
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07-08-2007 10:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 150 by IamJoseph
07-08-2007 1:28 AM

Re: Re-long day
True - from our understandings today - and one cannot posit such an answer as a brilliant observation. What is disregarded, is that such miracles are presented in a scenario which is another spacetime.
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Are you simple?
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07-08-2007 10:40 AM 		Reply to: Message 158 by kbertsche
07-08-2007 2:04 AM

Re: Re-long day
It's clear from your ridiculous and unscholarly response that you're not comfortable discussing original languages. You apparently already have concluded what the text means ("a plot device to make the story interesting") and you are not willing to consider facts which might conflict with your position. Sorry, but the grammar is essential to understanding what the text SAYS, and we must understand this before we can decide what it MEANS.
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The fact is that it never happened.
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Period.
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All of Joshua is but folk tales. There was no Conquest of Canaan as described in Joshua.
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You need to understand that before you can decide what it means.
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07-08-2007 5:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 195 by kbertsche
07-08-2007 5:06 PM

Re: Re-long day
I realize that there is little if any extra-biblical evidence for the conquest of Canaan (I'll try to look into this more later). But as I've said before, LACK of evidence for an event is NOT evidence that it did not occur. There may well be archaeological evidence that has not yet been unearthed.
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I am not talking of just a lack of evidence, although that too can be very important. In many cases lack of evidence can most certainly be evidence that something did not occur. Frankly, there is NO extra-biblical evidence for a Conquest of Canaan and lots of evidence that it never happened period.
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I realize that there are conflicts between archaeological data and the most conservative biblical date of about 1410BC. As I mentioned earlier, some of these conflicts may be misdating or misidentifying of sites in Palestine. The other date for the Conquest held by some Christians is about 1250BC, which I believe avoids most of the archaeological conflicts but presents some biblical conflicts.
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More "Theology of any shit I can make up."
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If you move it to about 1250BCE (and frankly you need to move it closer to 1000 BCE to make anything even possible) it simply proves that it didn't happen as described in the Bible.
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Why not just teach the truth, teach kids that they are folk tales of the founding of a peoples.
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07-08-2007 9:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 212 by IamJoseph
07-08-2007 9:44 PM

Re: Re-long day
The world would hardly know of canaan and its surrounds but for these writings, which have been vindicated to an extent not seen elsewhere. To say that 'ALL' is folk tales says more of its sayer than anything else. Your opinion here has no relevence. Let's hope you don't read science the same way?
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If someday I give my opinion, feel free to comment on it.
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All of the evidence shows that the Conquest of Canaan never happened as described in Joshua.
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The Armana Tablets prove it.
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Archeology proves it.
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It simply never happened just as the Exodus never happened as described and the Flood never happened.
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Them ain't opinions. Thems facts.
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07-08-2007 10:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 219 by IamJoseph
07-08-2007 10:25 PM

Re: Re-long day
I'm sorry but your authority is simply full of shit. The Armana tablets mention Habiru but that has nothing to do with Hebrews. It is a generic term used much like the term gypsy for people from all over the area that were mainly gangsters for hire. The term Hebrew does not appear in any of the Armana Tablets and the term Habiru or Apiru does not appear in Genesis 14:13.
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Further, in the Armana Tablets the Habiru are not a conquering army but rather mercenaries available for hire by either side.
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That kind of bullshit might cut it on some forums but that dog ain't gonna hunt here. Believe it or not, some of us have actually read the material and not just the crap put out by folk like your source.
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The rest of your post is simply cut and paste nonsense that even begins with false statements.
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