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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There is external evidence that corroborates but I am not "fluent" in presenting it. We know there was a canopy over the Earth which shielded harmful sun rays and enabled ancient men to live very long. We "know" this how? Can I live to be a thousand by staying out of the sun?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
We now have a group of evolutionists asserting that design = invisible Designer is somehow illogical. Of course. Many designed objects have designers who are perfectly visible. And, of course, many things which appear designed have no designer at all.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Three evolutionists disagree. They did not say that it was good evidence. You are a liar.
The issue was: The Bible IS evidence for Creationism. Is the Qur'aan also evidence for Creationism? How about the Book of Mormon?
In reply, the Darwinist must assert that the appearance of design, contrary to all logic and intuition, corresponds to an antonym: anti-intelligence natural selection, or in other words, extreme Atheist nonsense. When you pretend that evolution is atheistic, we all know you're lying, you realise that?
By definition, IC means non-evolvable. This is a lie. The definition of an irreducibly complex system is one which ceases to function if you remove any of its parts.
Punctuated equilibria says species stasis corresponds to intervals of rapid evolution. What a bizarre lie. P.E. states that relatively "rapid" evolution alternates with stasis.
But the point here is stasis and at face value microevolution is not seen. What a huge, huge lie. Microevolution is observed constantly.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Comment presupposes that the appearance is on the defensive. Evolutionary processes are eliminated as a possible source because the same claims that intelligence is not involved in nature. This means we have an overwhelming appearance of design in nature asserted to be the product of the opposite of intelligence or "design = unconscious process" which is extreme and gross illogic. Can you tell me who designed the RNA species in this experiment?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The CE is exactly that. Again, you are relying on perverted logic. The CE corresponds perfectly to Genesis special creation. What more could the Creationist want? We could not ask for better evidence for Genesis. I'm mildly curious to know what you think the "Cambrian explosion" was. I fail to see how the evolutionary diversification of animals with hard parts 580 million years ago supports the fairy-story story with the talking snake. Could you, y'know, join the dots for us here?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Now, I have posted 3 different evolutionists (in four posts) recognizing the best positive evidence for Creationism. I notice that you snipped a bit of Straggler's post. Let's quote him in full, shall we.
Straggler writes: As regards the best evidence for creationism (and related creator requiring theories) -I would say the most convincing I have seen is Behe's argument for irreducible complexity at the molecular level. Not an argument for YEC as such but for ID integrated with evolution and the need for the presence of a 'creator' of some sort. At the very least this seems to ask a question that evolutionary biologists then needed to answer. However it is still a largely negative argument of the 'evolution must be wrong because...' type rather than positive evidence for design. It also suffers from the fact that the specific claims of irreducible complexity have since been widely refuted. BUT it at least posed a meaningful challenge to evolutionary theory and I have not seen many creationsit arguments that do that. You got that? He says that your best argument has been refuted. So, a fortiori, have all your worse arguments. However, as he points out, the nice thing about Irreducible Complexity was that it was a genuine attempt to raise a scientific question, rather than a religious fanatic screaming halfwitted lies. As such, it did make a nice change. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Behe 1996 has never been refuted. It falsified your theory in its tracks. Since no Darwinist has ever recognized any refutation evidence (obviously) the rejection of IC is of no surprise. But this is a lie, isn't it? It's very easy to refute Behe's ideas. As the court found in the Dover Trial (remember that? wasn't it fun!) "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large." Here's a brief refutation: By definition, an system is irreducibly complex if removing one of its parts causes it to lose function. As Behe writes in Darwin's Black Box. an irreducibly complex system is: "A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning" This means that such a system can't have evolved by a process the last step of which was the wholesale addition of an entire part to a non-functioning system. But of course no-one claims that evolution works like that, so Behe is fighting a straw man. Besides this massive gaping theoretical flaw in the I.C. palaver, we can also see the evolution of irreducibly complex structures in the fossil record, e.g. the mammalian inner ear. At no point do any parts pop into existence by magic, because evolution doesn't work like that.
Honest and intelligent persons know IC imploded your theory into oblivion. I take it that by "honest and intelligent persons" you mean "halfwitted liars". Even Behe is honest enough to admit that his idea doesn't do what he wants it to. In 2001, Michael Behe wrote: "[T]here is an asymmetry between my current definition of irreducible complexity and the task facing natural selection. I hope to repair this defect in future work." Behe specifically explained that the "current definition puts the focus on removing a part from an already functioning system", but the "difficult task facing Darwinian evolution, however, would not be to remove parts from sophisticated pre-existing systems; it would be to bring together components to make a new system in the first place". So, he doesn't know that I.C. "imploded evolution into oblivion". Would you tell us why not? Is he not an "honest and intelligent person"? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Any person attempting to learn about the Creation-Evolution debate can read this topic and get a good handle on the foundational Creationist evidence and the only way the evolutionist "refutes": misrepresentation, perverted logic and evasion of evidence and argument. You know, you could turn that from a dirty, stinking, filthy, loathsome, idiotic, drooling, moronic, disgusting, loathsome, degraded, cretinous, drooling, drivelling, halfwitted lie into a truthful statement simply by removing the inverted commas --- and the colon. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Since the 300 limit is just ahead I thought I would make one last post. I hope RAZD or Adequate or any other Darwinist will create another topic so we can continue. If you enjoy being humiliated in public, and sometimes it's hard to see any other explanation for your behavior, then why don't you bump your thread about the Great Pyramid? As I recall, I'd just exposed your silly lies about the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, and then for some reason you ran away. As you've claimed that this is in the top 6 pieces of evidence for Creationism, perhaps it's worth another look at it?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But surely the A. F. D. is falsified just by pointing to things like, yes, snowflakes again, or the Mandelbrot set, or to RNA species arising from abiotic chemicals, or to self-replicating computer programs arising out of random computer code. Where is the Designer?
N.B: There was, of course, an intelligence involved in the latter two cases, as is in the nature of any simulation or experiment --- but the RNA species / computer programs are not the product of design; even if we commit the mistake of thinking that the experimenters are part of the model, the scientists involved would then be in the position of a Deist God who makes the laws of nature and then lets nature make itself. --- Ah, and now the thread's running out just as I have something other than bunkum to respond to. Such is life. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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