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Author Topic:   The Big Bang, Abiogenesis, and Evolution
Nuggin
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Message 6 of 300 (419667)
09-04-2007 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buckets
08-31-2007 9:01 PM


A different view point...
The responses above are all solid and well reasoned, however, they are also a bit of a dodge.
While what people are saying is factually true, they are glossing over the opposing view point.
Here's the problem:
While it is true that evolution, abiogenisis and big bang are all independant concepts and do not rely on one another for support (the big bang could be false, evolution would still be true) they all have something in common - they violate Christian Fundamentalist Creation Mythology.
The more you learn about the various topics, the more you'll discover that (surprise surprise) the people who were writing about these things 2000+ years ago didn't have all the facts.
What astounds me is not that the Christian Fundamentalists deny evolution, but that they don't deny the Earth's orbit. After all, the same thinking that dictates their evolution denial is just as valid as it was pre-Galelaeo when everything in the Universe revolved around the Earth.
So, should you choose to go down the road of science, you'll find that pro-magic, anti-history, anti-logic, anti-evidence beliefs put out by the Fundamentalists contradict what can be shown to be true.
In this way, learning about Evolution will show you that the Fundamentalists are profoundly wrong about a great many things, including Big Bang, Abiogenesis, History, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mathematics, well, pretty much anything that using information from any book other than the one they like

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Nuggin
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Message 118 of 300 (422731)
09-18-2007 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by CTD
09-17-2007 4:50 AM


Fundymental misunderstandings
This term has been altered over the years to mean 'the closest we can get', because no 'transitional form' has yet been discovered which meets the standard set by Darwin. There is nothing in all the countless fossils which he himself would call a 'transitional form'.
This is one of the most common and most iritating of fundamentalist misunderstandings.
All fossils are transitional forms.
I know this is hard to imagine, so let me demonstrate this mathematically.
Say there is a species "1"
And there is a related species "10"
"5" would be transitional. "5" would ideally having an equal number of features from both 1 and 10.
However, 2 would also be transitional, as would 8, as would 3, as would 7, as would 4 and 6. All of these fall between 1 and 10. All of them are transitional.
Further, not only would 3 be a transitional form between 1 and 10, it would also be a transitional form between 2 and 4.
Even 10 is a transitional form for whatever came after 10, presumably 11.
Think of it like counting.
Yes, this is over simplified, but when dealing with complex topics, you need to first establish a foundation. Without the foundation, people are likely to make claims like "there are no transitional fossils".

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Nuggin
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Message 121 of 300 (423337)
09-21-2007 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by CTD
09-21-2007 10:46 AM


Re: Fundymental misunderstandings
Here's the problem.
Creationists and other practitioners of witchcraft want to use terms like "Missing Link" and then attribute them to the serious and ongoing discussion of evolution. These people were never a part of the discussion in the first place, so, as one would expect they don't have a grasp of the terms they are using.
Think of it like a 5 year old attending hanging out at an adult cocktail party. While Daddy is talking about how things are going down at the nuclear plant, she pipes in using one of the words she's just heard. "I wish we had more coolant."
Awww, that's so cute. She said "coolant".
Sally has learned a new word. Sally, however, should not be dictating Kansas' nuclear physics curiculum.

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