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Doddy
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Message 53 of 268 (423922)
09-24-2007 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by IamJoseph
09-24-2007 7:13 PM


Re: special pleading for uniqueness in begging the question for human speech
IamJoseph writes:
The notion a bird adapted communication from a fish or a different species, or that a zebra begat it from ancient crocodiles - even allowing for all the twists and turns expressed in ToE - defy the evidences tended.
Of course. That's why nobody I know thinks that birds adapted communication from fish or zebras learnt it from crocodiles.
But then, birds didn't adapt flying behaviours from fish either, and zebra didn't learn how to walk by watching crocodiles.
Those behaviours are passed through genes and modified by evolution. No memes involved.
The only learnt factors are what call to associate with distress and what calls to associate with asserting dominance etc. Even those are heavily influenced by instinct, even in humans.

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Doddy
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Message 59 of 268 (423962)
09-24-2007 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by IamJoseph
09-24-2007 9:05 PM


Back to Biology 101!
IaJ writes:
It means speciation and its adaptation can be safely pointed to an internal factor, which is an immediate one, as opposed external factors such as pre-historic genes and/or environmental impacts.
Ok, so you're saying that genes have nothing to do with speciation? Back to Evolution 101 for you!
And also, acclimitization (an individual animal growing longer fur when it moves to a cold climate) does have little to do with genes. But that is not how speciation or evolution work.
IaJ writes:
a lion does not eat meat
Back to Zoology 101 for you! (although perhaps your double negative has thrown me here)
IaJ writes:
A deformity or talent, for example, may be determined in the dna as a gene factor: but this is also limited to the immediate paranetal genes only - perhaps limited to four generations.
And how, exactly, does a mutation have such a generation limit? What makes it revert once this limit is up? And how does it know what it used to be so that it can revert accurately?
Back to Genetics 101 for you!
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Doddy
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Message 63 of 268 (423983)
09-25-2007 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by IamJoseph
09-25-2007 1:34 AM


Re: Back to Biology 101!
IamJoseph writes:
Better, you are saying the seed has nothing to do with it.
I think we should have a topic about this mythical seed concept of yours.
IamJoseph writes:
Does an egg crack open with a chicken because of evolution - or what's in the egg? The gene does not impact, in the sense it is the egg contained embryotic gene, as opposed an evolutionary gene.
An evolutionary gene? You're not making sense. What do you mean by this?
The genes that cause the chicken embryo to develop in the way it does are indeed acted on by evolution. In fact, there are lots of genes that influence and regulate development.
It is because of the genes contained in your genome that you developed into a human rather than a chicken. And those genes are free to be acted on by evolution.

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