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Dr Adequate
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Message 206 of 305 (430121)
10-23-2007 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Medis
10-22-2007 4:58 PM


Re: To sum up.
It went as expected. After my brief refutation of their claims regarding the non-science of evolution, it went a step deeper, the rejection of science.
Basically they took it to the fundamentals of science. We know that science makes some assumptions, a memorable past, a predictable future and an observable external reality, but the mere fact that science makes these assumptions means that it is just as good as any religion.
I mean, those assumptions are just a way of perceiving things. Of regarding things at a certain angle. How can you say that these assumptions are any better than the assumptions that a religion makes.
Those assumptions are faith, are they not?
Bloody typical. In order to avoid evolution, they first try to redefine science so that it doesn't include phrases like "Saturn has rings". And then when you point this out to them, they then do indeed throw out the baby with (what they consider to be) the bathwater, and become complete epistimological relativists --- rather than accept one scientific fact which they don't like.
If "an observable external reality" is just a matter of faith, then it is, consequently, a merely a matter of "faith" that I have two legs.
But this is not usually what is meant by "faith". Actually, it's more like what normal people would call "a fact".
It doesn't seem to be what the Bible means by "faith", either.
Perhaps we need another word for "that particular sort of faith which is well-verified by all relevant observations". We could call it "truth", or "science", or "not running away from reality as fast as your legs will carry you".
Sheesh, it's like watching someone file for intellectual bankruptcy.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 207 of 305 (430160)
10-23-2007 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Medis
10-22-2007 4:58 PM


Re: To sum up.
Basically they took it to the fundamentals of science. We know that science makes some assumptions, a memorable past, a predictable future and an observable external reality, but the mere fact that science makes these assumptions means that it is just as good as any religion.
But hold on ... it occurs to me ... surely those are "assumptions" that they do in fact have "faith" in.
If their only alternative to accepting science is to believe that the Universe is in some way a lie, a cheat, a hoax or a delusion, then in fact they don't believe that, do they? They can therefore say that accepting science requires "faith", according to a very strange definition of "faith", but since they have that requisite "faith", are they not then obliged to accept science?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 245 of 305 (432455)
11-06-2007 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 3:15 AM


RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.
Q: Aside from the internal factors which illustrate how life forms graduade, what is the source believed by evolutionists, which controls evolution?
N - A - T - U - R - A - L frickin' S - E - L - E - C - T - I - O - N.
When discussing evolution, which is presented as a naturally occuring process [read, no need to explain it]
Why should we "read" a true statement as an utterly false one?
I see no possibility of truth or logic in the acceptence that only the process of what occurs to life, after life has appeared, as a sufficient acceptance by evolutionists. It requires total expounding. Thus far, all evolutionists have done as a response, is bash creationism: this is insufficient and not one which vindicates.
The deflection to other faculties like cosmology is unacceptable, aside from showing a lack of knowledge in biology itself: after all, the universe is an intergrated system, and not really sectionised as biology and cosmology sectors.
I wish you'd learn English.
would viruses on pluto evolve to zebras and humans, or similar life forms? Yes/no; why yes/no?
No. Humans and zebras did not evolve from viruses.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 273 of 305 (432633)
11-07-2007 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 6:35 AM


RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.
I should have known better than to talk with a mad person, only I was bored.

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