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Author Topic:   Evolution is not science
Annafan
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Message 108 of 305 (428385)
10-16-2007 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Medis
10-16-2007 9:08 AM


Malangyar writes:
Is it not true that for a theory to be scientific you must be able to test it in extreme conditions?
First time that I hear that.
Malangyar writes:
For example, the theory of evolution is not scientifically valid because it cannot be tested in a laboratory. You might be able to observe it in nature (Fossil record etc.) but for it to be scientifically valid you must be able to take the theory to extremes (Usually done in a lab) and see if the theory complies with those extremes. This is a necessary in order to thoroughly falsify a theory.
Thus, as it is not possible to test the theory of (macro)evolution in a laboratory, it is not a scientific theory but only faith.
I hope you then also vehemently reject star formation theories, all types of meteorology, plate tectonics, the theory that smoking causes cancer, etc. etc. etc. Why so selective?

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Annafan
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Message 113 of 305 (428410)
10-16-2007 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Medis
10-16-2007 10:19 AM


Malangyar writes:
@Annafan
I never said I rejected anything.
But if you're consistent, you SHOULD reject all those things?

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Annafan
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Message 128 of 305 (428666)
10-17-2007 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Medis
10-16-2007 12:32 PM


Annafan writes:
But if you're consistent, you SHOULD reject all those things?
I guess it depends on what you believe those theories are based on. If you believe they are based on the same way of reasoning as evolution, and you reject evolution, then, yes, in order to be consistent you'd need to reject those theories.
So the conclusion is you indeed reject them because, just like (macro)evolution, you argue they can not be tested in the lab.
Did you ever take the time to systematically evaluate all scientific knowledge, to be sure that you only accepted science entirely based on laboratory experiments? Or is there maybe another reason why you single out evolutionary theory?

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Annafan
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Message 148 of 305 (428925)
10-18-2007 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Medis
10-17-2007 2:21 PM


Malangyar writes:
Annafan writes:
So the conclusion is you indeed reject them because, just like (macro)evolution, you argue they can not be tested in the lab.
No. I never said I rejected evolution or that it couldn't be tested in a lab. I asked a QUESTION about the testing of evolution, and if you'd go back and read the first sentence of the first post that I made, you might be able to see this.
Annafan writes:
Did you ever take the time to systematically evaluate all scientific knowledge, to be sure that you only accepted science entirely based on laboratory experiments?
No. (?)
Annafan writes:
Or is there maybe another reason why you single out evolutionary theory?
I'm not deliberately "singling out" anything, but this topic happens to be about evolution and science and I happen to have come here to discuss science and the scientific method from the standpoint of the theory of evolution. Is this okay with you, or are you so prejudiced that you need to firmly put me in a box with "all the rest" in order to establish your superiority? Why don't you just answer my questions about evolution instead of treating me like a lunatic? If this is too much to ask then please don't waste my time with any more of your petty nitpicking.
I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I will admit that experience with the 'typical' new poster asking/asserting stuff like this has conditioned some of us into a certain type of reaction.
Still, the questions are in the first place supposed to be helpful, as to make you think a bit further about your own question. When I would ask myself the same question about evolution being science or not, I would first of all find it very odd that a field of investigation that has been around for almost 200 years now, and has gone through the hands of some of the brightest people ever known, could still turn out to be "not legitimate science after all". Even if I would have this hunch that there is something wrong, I would certainly argue from a position that I was probably missing something. To me, the way you phrased your first post indicated that you dismissed this all too easily. It sounded more like a statement than an inquiry. Your tone has definitely changed somewhat since then, though.

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