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NosyNed
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Message 134 of 305 (428750)
10-17-2007 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Medis
10-17-2007 2:21 PM


Explaining Evolution
Oh. I always thought the theory of evolution was thought up BEFORE Darwin and that Darwin was only the guy trying to explain how it happened. (Using natural selection) In fact I'm sure I read somewhere that evolution was around before Darwin, and that his father even wrote poems about it.
You have the occurrence of evolution mixed up with the explanatory model (the theory). For a long time before Darwin it had been obvious that life on Earth had changed forms over time (and that it was a pretty long time as well.) Naturalists could see from the very limited number of fossils found already that current life had not always been on the planet. They could also see that there had been a succession of different sets of critters on Earth.
But how could this be? That was the question that needed answering. How could one set of critters inhabiting the Earth be replaced by a new set? Either there were a whole new set created over again (which was a hypothesis put forward) or the existing ones had to change into the new ones. The new creations hypothesis got a little weak seeming as it became apparent that there would have to be 10's then 100's and then even more recreations of life. But experience showed that one animal doesn't suddenly turn into another so how could it have happened? Because it was clear that it had happened; life hadchanged and changed a lot. It was too clear to ignore even 200 years ago.
There were then hypotheses put forward for how this could happen. Darwin's was the one that answered the question, stood up to scrutiny and testing over time and is now the accepted one. The explanation for how something occurs is what a theory is.
ABE
Oops did it again: Wallace and Darwin independently came up with the theory of change through imperfect replication and selection. Poor Wallace -- a day late and a dollar short.
Edited by NosyNed, : added a bit

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NosyNed
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Message 203 of 305 (429977)
10-22-2007 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Medis
10-22-2007 4:58 PM


assumptions - faith or not?
Basically they took it to the fundamentals of science. We know that science makes some assumptions, a memorable past, a predictable future and an observable external reality, but the mere fact that science makes these assumptions means that it is just as good as any religion.
I mean, those assumptions are just a way of perceiving things. Of regarding things at a certain angle. How can you say that these assumptions are any better than the assumptions that a religion makes.
Those assumptions are faith, are they not?
They are not taken solely on faith. But as noted in msg 201 you'd have to get a clear definition of what that word means.
First:
If you don't assume there is an external reality you are living in the matrix. You know nothing about anything at all. Their god disappears as a personal delusion as well.
Additionally:
These assumptions work. We are able to (at least we think we are) make things happen in a predictable way. We can (it seems in our delusion) learn about this assumed reality and get useful results.
That is very different from faith.
It may not be right but so far, so good.

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