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imageinvisible Member (Idle past 5948 days) Posts: 132 From: Arlington, Texas, US Joined: |
The secound 120 yr life span limit wasn't set until Moses died. Noah and his decendants, because they had been blessed by God where excluded from the time constrant set in Gen.6:3. And no one has lived past 120 yrs. old since Moses died.
I have been reading the book of Deuteronomy where Moses dies and have found no verse that states that God put a secound 120 year life limit on man after Moses died. So my initial claim (The secound 120 yr life span limit wasn't set until Moses died) is invalid, the Bible does not suport it. Therefore my claim (And no one has lived past 120 yrs. old since Moses died.) is also invalid Edited by imageinvisible, : No reason given. Edited by imageinvisible, : Added text in qs box Edited by imageinvisible, : closing box Edited by imageinvisible, : re: 120 years 21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; 22 [Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
And no one has lived past 120 yrs. old since Moses died. You are mistaken.
quote: From here. And she's simply the oldest documented and confirmed human being. Apparently, not only did Noah and his family get some sort of exclusion to God's normally unbendable rules, some random lady from France got special consideration as well. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
No reply yet, imageinvisible? If the Bible said that no human can live past 120, (not counting Noah for the sake of the argument), and a human being in actual, documented fact did live past 120 in recent living memory, does that not mean that the Bible cannot be infallible?
Further, doesn't this prove that you started with the conclusion that the Bible is infallible, and made a claim (that no human being since Noah has lived past 120 years) without first doing even the most base research? I mean, I found that Wiki article in under a minute. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The silence is deafening
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3698 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Anyone have any idea what this refers to - it seems to suggest that time, thereby years, were different prior to Noah than now:
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Oct. 25, 1404 BCE/ Mars passes Earth 70,000 miles away, causing a 5 degree Polar shift and longer days on Earth. Creation Research Society and Creation Science and other Creationism sites that bend time Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, it's still irrelevant. Making a day slightly longer (say, perhaps a day was 23 hrs previously) would not make the passage of the Earth around the Sun any longer. It just changes the amount of days it takes to do so. What you're trying to propose is that, by slowing down a clock, the passage of time actually changes as well. That's retarded. If you change the length of a ruler, I don't become any taller or shorter. Measurements are subjective. And even if your misinformed idea did lengthen years along with days, that would mean that 122 modern years would be even longer than the same amount of time prior to this supposed polar shift. In other words, it makes your position even worse off. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
IamJoseph
Oct. 25, 1404 BCE/ Mars passes Earth 70,000 miles away, causing a 5 degree Polar shift and longer days on Earth. Well you tell me what you think the effect would be of a planet 5 times larger than the moon coming within a third of the orbital distance from earth to the moon? Do you believe that planets orbit the sun at the distances they do arbitrarily and can move about wherever the notion takes them? They orbit the sun at the distances they do as a result of binding physics that require them to behave this way. And it might do you good to question what the evidence for such a statement is in the first place eh?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
His link leads to a site I'd expect to find talked about on Coast to Coast or some other such UFO/psychic/ghosts/conspiracy program. In fact, I believe I once heard a program talking about something along these lines - the "evidence" was the running theme of disaster in ancient texts. Somehow natural disasters from legends and myths = ZOMG A PLANET MUST HAVE PASSED CLOSE THE THE EARTH!
Sounds about right up IaJ's alley, but certainly not worthy of anything more than a good laugh from rational people. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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imageinvisible Member (Idle past 5948 days) Posts: 132 From: Arlington, Texas, US Joined: |
Isaiah 53:10b When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see [His] seed, He shall prolong [His] days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, [and] be satisfied.
"J'ai été oubliée par le Bon Dieu!" ("I have been forgotten by the Good Lord!")
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Isaiah 53:10b When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see [His] seed, He shall prolong [His] days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, [and] be satisfied. "J'ai été oubliée par le Bon Dieu!" ("I have been forgotten by the Good Lord!") It sounds like you're trying to say that faith in Jesus can make your life longer. Is that what you're trying to say? Please, give us some actual comments in your own words rather than a bare Bible quote - it helps everyone figure out exactly what you're saying. Assuming that IS your point...you said just a few posts ago that "no one has lived over 120 years since Noah." I take it you're retracting that statement? Also...most people don't live remotely close to 120, even if they are Christians, so it doesnt seem apparent to me that your above reference could possibly be speaking about the previously set 120-year limit to human lifespans. I think your argument is flimsy at best. Jeanne Calment, the 122-year-old woman, attributed her longevity to "olive oil, which she said she poured on all her food and rubbed into her skin." See here. Wouldn't someone who had made "His soul an offering for sin," have mentioned God when asked a question like that? The French quote at the end of your post was by Jeanne, but the vast majority of people who make similar statements don't even live to 100, let alone 120. Is God so capricious as to allow his most devout followers to die at an average age in the 70s, but occasionally allow a single, random believer to live past his imposed life limit? Is it not a fact that the average lifespan in a given area tends to increase with better medical care, and has nothing to do with the religion of the population? Is it not a fact that when extremely devout Christians eschew medical technology and care in favor of "faith healing," they tend to die, and not God does not in fact "prolong [their] days"? Most importantly, "prolonging his days" doesn't have anything to do with the lifespan limit previously set. It sounds to me like it refers to living more of the potential 120 years (which Ill give you just for the sake of the argument, despite the fact that I find the claim that Christians live longer than non-Christians as implied in your quote to be absurd). The fact is, the Bible says God limited the human lifespan to 120 years. The fact is, it has been verified beyond doubt that people can and have lived beyond that limit. It is therefor a fact that the Bible cannot be inerrant when it states that the human lifespan is limited to 120 years. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
I hate to bump, but I'd really like to see a reply from imageinvisible.
Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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imageinvisible Member (Idle past 5948 days) Posts: 132 From: Arlington, Texas, US Joined: |
see message 121, new text added in quote box.
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rcmemphis Junior Member (Idle past 5470 days) Posts: 9 Joined: |
I believe that the bible is inerrant, and with any issue, uninformed or less studied Christians typically do not answer well to their atheist counterparts. Due to this, I suggest that atheist on this thread not only read the responses of counter arguments, but look to other research as well to make sure an accurate representation of the argument is being presented; I certainly do with the atheist arguments.
The disputed text is the following: "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." Genesis 6:3. "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Genesis 6:13. God states that he will destroy the flesh which is mankind. We know from the bible that people live longer than 120 years and there are apparently present day people who have lived longer than 120 years. It seems that the interpretation commonly taken by athiests and many Christians on this thread is incorrect, such would suggest a contradiction. A much more possible interpretation is that after God decrees that man will live 120 years, he is saying that he will destroy mankind in 120 years through the flood. It would take a long time to build the ark anyways.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Cherry picking, much?
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rcmemphis Junior Member (Idle past 5470 days) Posts: 9 Joined: |
Oh, I'm sorry did you post something like that before? There's nothing wrong with sharing the same idea if its valid!
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