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Message 18 of 143 (450925)
01-24-2008 10:34 PM

Reply to: Message 17 by Modulous
01-24-2008 9:20 PM

Re-Expansion

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

The balloon analogy has only one purpose - to represent how distance between things can increase without those things moving (by expanding what's between them...in the balloon analogy it is rubber, in cosmology it is space). It is not intended as a complete analogy that describes spacetime. Don't get the actual model used confused with various analogies used to explain certain phenomenon within the model.

Mod I have read at least 50 hours on the big bang and the theories surrounding it and thought I was getting a grasp on it but I guess not. You just totally lost me in this thread.

Skiping to the expansion begins.
Prior to this moment there was no space, no time, no planets, no ....
Did space expand immediately to infinity?

Or is space expanding at the rate that The spacial dimensions are increasing?

Is the expansion as a sphere?

Or is the expansion directional?

Don't get way over my head with the answers please.

Thank you.

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Message 20 of 143 (450937)
01-25-2008 12:36 AM

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01-24-2008 11:37 PM

Re: Re-Expansion

Hi Mod,

The picture at: this

With the big bang to the left end is directional which I have seen several different versions of. The ones I have seen is from the string theory. This I can understand.

One of my questions was is this expanding into space or is it creating space as it expands?

This one
torus

This is the first time I have seen this one, and yes it will raise a lot of questions. But continue on.

Now to time.

The only creatures that needs time is man.
Other creatures have built in clock's. We do too we just don't make much use of them today.

So why would there even be time in the rest of the universe?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 24 of 143 (450980)
01-25-2008 11:00 AM

Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
01-25-2008 8:22 AM

Re: Re-Expansion

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

It doesn't expand, it's just that shape.

If the spacial dimensions are increasing as stated in Message 17.
Most galaxies are receding from each other at fantastic speeds.

How can the universe not expand?

Modulous writes:

It isn't expanding into space.

So if the space between Galaxies is getting greater space needs to be expanding. I cook so I have done the thing with raisins in a cake. They get further apart as the cake dough expands. The volume of the cake increases as the dough expands.

Modulous writes:

Time, and its existence, are real.

I agree that we perceive time.
But does it exist or is it an illusion?

I am a Bible thumper so I have some really weird ideas, according to other Bible thumpers.

I believe that everything has always been here in some form, in what I call eternity.

Time is something we have here to mark our journey.

When time ceases as we know it, be it by our hand, implosion, or some other means eternity will continue on.

As I understand it the stuff the universe is composed of cannot go out of existence. Correct me if I am wrong.

Carry on,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 25 of 143 (450981)
01-25-2008 11:06 AM

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01-25-2008 7:22 AM

Re: Re-Time

Hi bluescat48,

bluescat48 writes:

You answered your own question. Man, since he wants to know how long ago an event ie: big bang, he had to invent a scale of reference, that is, time.

Thanks

This was my point man is the only creature that needs time.

Have fun,

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Message 30 of 143 (451013)
01-25-2008 4:07 PM

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01-25-2008 11:23 AM

Re: Re-Expansion

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

Correct, the space expands through time.

OK got that one.

Modulous writes:

There is definitely a dimension called time.

Did it evolve? Or
Did we create it ourselves?

Modulous writes:

Perhaps you'd be better off if you read Thread What is Time and Space

Will do but that might raise more questions.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 32 of 143 (451021)
01-25-2008 4:51 PM

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01-25-2008 11:31 AM

Re: Re-Expansion

Hi Scientist,

Catholic Scientist writes:

Make sense?

I think so.

If you could put four raisins 2 inches apart in a cake dough and them not move at all which would take a very thick batter. Bake the cake the raisins would probably be 3 inches apart in the finished cake. The dough would have expanded and thus make the difference.

It is just easier for me to understand to say the space between them grows and causes them to move apart. The distance does get greater.

Catholic Scientist writes:

Just don't let the Bible get in the way of your understanding of reality. If we determine that the universe is not eternal, would you reject that determination in favor of your belief?

I do not think my believing that the universe is eternal in some form is in jeopardy at all.

Super string theory is about expansion, contraction, expansion, contraction forever. That way no one needs to explain where all this stuff we see came from.

That way we don't have to worry about whether time expands or it just is.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 33 of 143 (451022)
01-25-2008 4:55 PM

Reply to: Message 31 by Modulous
01-25-2008 4:12 PM

Re: time

Hi Mod,

ICANT writes:

Did we create it ourselves?

Modulous writes:

"It" being time where did it come from?

Thanks,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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