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Rahvin
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Message 23 of 106 (453701)
02-03-2008 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Jon
02-03-2008 3:43 PM


Re: A Note on Authorship
It is clear from this, then, that Paul had set male and female up as being equals, instead of opposites as in the case of Jew/Greek, and slave/free.
The Gospel of John is very female-friendly (likely compiled by a group containing many women). The letters of John are all written to the head of a church community who was obviously female.
In the early Christian church, women and men were on relatively equal footing with women even holding serious leadership roles. I, and many scholars, would reason that it was not until after Christianity was adopted by the mainstream that the old Roman-world anti-female sentiment began to take hold, during which time the extra verse would have been inserted into Corinthians”because it obviously wasn't put there by Paul”, and the conjunction was intentionally mistranslated to show an opposition in men and women. In other words, anti-femalism is not really a feature of the original Christian church at all.
Now, whether this has any bearing on the discussion at hand or not, I am not sure (there was too much for me to read through it all), but I still thought I would point these things out.
Jon
I think that's an excellent point, Jon...
...except that it can't be taken into account by those who think the Bible is the literal Word of God. Once human additions and subtractions are accepted as existing, the entire literalist point of view collapses.
Either the Bible is not literally true word for word, or the Bible does tell women to "shut the hell up."

When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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Message 84 of 106 (455488)
02-12-2008 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Taz
02-12-2008 11:10 AM


Yes, it does. If an evolution advocate says something like "man evolved from monkeys", you can be sure that a dozen or so other evolution believers, including myself, would jump on him and correct him right away. If an atheist claims that all atheists believe in Satan, you can be sure that I'd be one of the first to point out right away that atheists also don't believe in Satan.
But everytime a christian says something wacky like johnfolton just did, all we get are some cricket chirpings from your side.
Silence IS another way of telling the world you agree with them.
Think of it this way, Taz - most of the Christians around here likely think johnfolton is just as crazy and sexist as you or I do. They certainly don't practice the same specific flavor of Christianity. They likely don't even feel that johnfolton is actually misrepresenting their beliefs, simply because he's so far off the deep end.
Aside from that, the Atheists don't jump on each other en masse, either. A few will point out the error - and that was done in this thread, as well. It was done by female Christian members, but once the point has been made, is a male Christian then obligated to step in and affirm "yes, johnfolton is sexist, and no, this does not represent my beliefs or Christianity as a whole."? It really would just be repetition of previous posts.
Silence, when the point has already been refuted by others, does not constitute agreement, and that leaves out real-life concerns of time and attention to a specific thread as well.

When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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