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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
I don't know anything about DNA testing, but it seems it would have to be very accurate.
It is usually 99.999% accurate.
It is about the same as what we call species today that are the original kinds
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
graft2vine writes:
Are you saying there really was a superevolution involved between now and 6 thousand years ago that produced all the species today?
So, go ahead and proceed Taz... I don't have any better suggestion than what I presented earlier about using Arc capacity to determine kinds.
I don't know anything about DNA testing, but it seems it would have to be very accurate. I mean, if they have a margin of error of 5%, then they could conclude the chimp to be your dad.
Just so you know, for someone like myself that actually have worked in a genetics lab and did regular work on DNA testing, this comment demonstrates ignorance on an annoying level.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4985 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
So then Noah's arc would have to be incredibly huge wouldn't it? I believe it was a local flood, and yes it is a huge boat even by today's standards.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4985 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
Are you saying there really was a superevolution involved between now and 6 thousand years ago that produced all the species today? Not in my view, which is an old earth creation, local flood view. Now from a YEC view, I don't know if superevolution is required. I have not measured the available space in the ark, how many species there are, or could fit, so that's why I've taken interest in your thread. Edited by graft2vine, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Boy, did this thread die fast without me trying to keep it above water. I've been very very busy lately. Only about 30 minutes a day of free time to go on the internet, and I'd rather use most of it reading news.
Ok, so since there hasn't been any objection from YECs, I take it that my last list of mammals is acceptable. Here it is again. AcouchiAnteater Ape Armadillo Badger Bat Bear Beaver buffalo Camel Capybara Caracal Cheetah Chinchilla Cow Deer Degu Dog Elephant Elk Ferret Fox Giraffe Goat Guanaco Hippo Horse Hyena Hyrax Kangaroo Koala Leopard Lion Manatee Mole rat Monkey Mouflon Mouse Oryx Peccary Pig Platypus Porcupine Possum Prairie dog Rabbit Raccoon Rat Rhino Rock cavy Sheep Shrew Skunk Sloth Squirrel Tapir Tazmanian Devil Tenrec Tiger Vicugna Wolverine Zebra Let us move on to reptiles. AnoleChameleon Crocodile Gecko Horned Lizard Iquana Skink Snake Tortoise Turtle You know what, off the top of my head I can't think of that many "kinds" of reptiles. I'd appreciate some help.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Taz,
I found a great site that may help with some of your work here.
Encyclopedia of Life EoL writes:
Welcome to the first release of the Encyclopedia of Life portal. This is the very beginning of our exciting journey to document all species of life on Earth. Comprehensive, collaborative, ever-growing, and personalized, the Encyclopedia of Life is an ecosystem of websites that makes all key information about all life on Earth accessible to anyone, anywhere in the world.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Very excellent site. Will be even better when they get more info on the minor phyla.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
You know what, off the top of my head I can't think of that many "kinds" of reptiles. I'd appreciate some help. Depends on where you want to go with this. To conserve space on the Ark and if Creationists involk super-evolution then we can wittle all reptiles to 4 "kinds": Lizard, serpant, crock and turtle. From your list AnoleChameleon Gecko Horned Lizard Iquana Skink are all "lizard kind," TortoiseTurtle are "turtle kind." crocksalligators are the "crock kind" and finally rattlersboas pipes cobras Satan vipers elapids kraits all "serpent kind"
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Uh, not all of us are literate in the art of scientific names for animal. I'd rather we work with common names.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Who said anything about conserving space? Remember that the YECs have always argued that there is this barrier between different kinds that prevent them from interbreeding. For example, a horse and a donkey are in fact the same kind because they producea mule. YECs generally don't talk at all about saving space on the ark. To conserve space on the Ark and if Creationists involk super-evolution then we can wittle all reptiles to 4 "kinds": Lizard, serpant, crock and turtle.
So, I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say that a kind is simply animal that can't possibly mate with another kind. I'm also making a leap of faith that anything that looks like a snake can mate with anything else that looks like a snake, making all snake species in one kind. Same goes with turtles. But a croc mating with an iquana... that's a little too much to ask. Remember that we have to make this as favorable to YECs as we possibly can without crossing this barrier between different kinds of animal.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
But a croc mating with an iquana... that's a little too much to ask. No problem. Crocs are already in the "croc kind" and iguanas are already in the "lizard kind." So we only need 4 kinds of reptillians.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Then what do you make of a chameleon? How about the skink? Bearded dragon?
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: To conserve space on the Ark and if Creationists involk super-evolution then we can wittle all reptiles to 4 "kinds": Lizard, serpant, crock and turtle. This is what I was talking about when I wrote this (message 38):
Bluejay writes: Also note that, the more different the things are from us, the more tendency we have to "lump" them into larger and larger groups. Although people would likely call "jellyfish" one kind, jellyfish actually constitute an entire class of organisms (which would be the equivalent of citing a single "mammal" kind). Tigers and wolves can't be a single kind, but sea turtles and box turtles can, even though they're more different from each other. In order to support the idea that reptiles can be whittled down to 4 kinds, Creationists would have to invoke a lot more super-evolution than even magic-believers could swallow. To get today's ~9000 species of reptiles from 4 would take a full team of sorcerors several hundred years of round-the-clock study and spell-casting. I would argue that lizards need to be subdivided (on the basis of reproductive isolation, and on the basis of their being more different from one another than wolves and tigers): monitorschameleons Gila monster geckos glass lizards iguanas skinks horned lizards I would submit at least five turtle kinds: tortoisesea turtle terrapins side-necked turtles softshell turtles Crocodilians could be just one (groan) Snakes need at least these five kinds: boasvipers cobras blind snakes garter snakes Also, tuataras are distinct from any of the groups listed, mandating an additional group. Edited by Bluejay, : None of anybody's business. There was a point to this [post], but it has temporarily escaped the chronicler's mind. -modified from Life, the Universe and Everything, Douglas Adams
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Taz writes: Who said anything about conserving space? The dimensions of the Ark are known: they're written in Genesis 6. Any theory Creationists would put forward would have to take this into account if it is to be taken seriously. There was a point to this [post], but it has temporarily escaped the chronicler's mind. -modified from Life, the Universe and Everything, Douglas Adams
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Then what do you make of a chameleon? How about the skink? Bearded dragon? Lizard, lizard and lizard. I think I'd make a good creationist.
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