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Recon3rd
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Message 94 of 103 (461999)
03-29-2008 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Larni
03-29-2008 7:48 AM


Re: Kill
Larni writes:
I agree some people do need killing and I have no issue with this. However the whiners should not be dismissed as being deep down greatfull. I used to belive it was true when I was younger but when I met more and more people who I would happilly describe as whiners I had to conlude that they genuinley do see killing (or infact any violence) as abhorent.
You mean like the violence and killing to help England during WWII, I guess they would rather of had Hitler have his way rather than stand up and fight. How bout the Japanese I guess we should have let them do as they planed. I think deep down they were great full that some of us stood up. Unless they would have preferred the Nisshki over old glory.

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Recon3rd
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Message 100 of 103 (462073)
03-30-2008 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Chiroptera
03-29-2008 2:30 PM


Re: I lost track of my own point.
Chirotera writes:
Let me sort of recap what we are saying.
I first responded to you when you made the claim that "evolutionist ethics" were inconsistent since, as you put it, everything was related and therefore it should be immoral to kill anything.
I was asking Evolutionists or anyone for that matter if they don't believe in Creationism how do they put a value on different forms of life since they say all life can be traced back to the mud bug.
Chirotera writes:
I want to repeat that there is no reason to use "relatedness" as a criterion to decide whom it is acceptable to kill and whom it is not. It is just as arbitrary a criterion as anything else one can choose.
If all life stemmed from the same organism how can some life forms be of more importance than another? If I can kill an ant why can't I kill you? Whats the difference?
Chirotera writes:
Now some people may use degree of relatedness in deciding whom it is acceptable to kill and whom it is not. For example, tribal feuds can be based on this principle. Some people choose to use the species Homo sapiens as the limit -- it is unacceptable to kill anyone in our species, but alright to kill anything of a different species. Others will push the limit to include the higher primates -- these people, for example, are against the use of chimpanzees in medical research but don't have a problem with using rats, largely because chimpanzees are closer kin to humans than rats are.
Of course people all have their own opinions, I'm not asking everyone I'm asking Atheists and Evolutionists.
Chirotera writes:
Of course, it's pretty arbitrary where one sets the demarcation. On the other hand, the very choice of criteria to choose whom one can kill with impunity and whom it is not is arbitrary to begin with.
To me killing a man isn't difficult at all, not just any random man but an evil one, just kill him he's of no use and a danger. Killing an animal for food isn't difficult either, killing an animal for sport is just pointless to me. Do you think it's in mans nature to kill other men for reasons other than self preservation?

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Recon3rd
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Message 101 of 103 (462074)
03-30-2008 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Larni
03-29-2008 9:53 AM


Re: Kill
Larni writes:
I would think it is very safe to say that they were greatful that they did not have to kill.
But they did allow and were on board with those who stood up. They may have been greatfull that they didn't have to actually pull the trigger or thrust a bayonet but they were greatfull to those who did.
Larni writes:
I would imagine that the act of killing would have a predicted catastophic psychological effect on this type of person: although untill ones does kill someone else I guess it is difficult to predict how one would react.
I suppose if your completely against killing another human and you did, it could have some adverse effects on you. So could having to live under the rule of a nut job.
Larni writes:
But thats not really to the point of the OP. I guess one could argue that if you were religious you could have the attitiude of 'kill 'em all and let god decide' and so sleep soundly knowing that god will sort the good form the bad.
I'm not 'religious' but I do think that evil, sick, depraved men should be killed. They serve no purpose other than to raise hell.
Larni writes:
But then you don't need to be religious to happilly want people dead for certain crimes but I would argue the athiest may be more worried about a false positive than a xian who can really on their god to sort out any mistakes in heaven or where ever it is falsly executed people go.
If I kill a sworn enemy of the USA who wouldn't think twice about killing any Americans so be it. They chose that course of life and it comes with the territory.
SSD-Recon

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