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Author Topic:   What do atheists think of death?
cavediver
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Message 32 of 103 (457786)
02-25-2008 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Modulous
02-25-2008 10:41 AM


An interesting thought experiment to highlight your point would be teleportation.
thank god that we have the 300 limit here... have you seen the most recent thread(s) on this at iidb??? I was involved in the early days when it was mere '00s of posts long, but when it strayed into the '000s and possibly '0000s...!!! But it is a fun topic, if only to see two diametrically opposed camps, both claiming to be the true materialists

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cavediver
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Message 33 of 103 (457787)
02-25-2008 3:08 PM
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02-25-2008 2:27 PM


With teleportation, you get the continuation of one person's existence, with a slight blip in time, like falling unconscious for a few seconds when you're expecting to do so.
Hmmm... perhaps I should start the teleport thread here. You do realise you have to shoot yourself in the head, don't you?

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cavediver
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Message 35 of 103 (457790)
02-25-2008 3:27 PM
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02-24-2008 2:11 PM


My question to atheists is, assuming you're right and the universe is entirely governed by logic with no supernatural phenomena, why does it follow that when you die you will no longer exist?
General relativity gives us a very interesting view on time - we can't completely trust it becasue it isn't a quantum theory, but it's certainly worth thinking about...
There is no such thing as time as we think of it in common use. There is no Universal clock ticking out time, as if the Universe progresses from the past to the future, and we all ride along on this thing called now. GR has no 'now', no ticking clock. There is just a static, unchanging four dimemsional space-time. We are tiny four-dimensionally extruded worms, demarked at either end by 'birth' and 'death', but such titles have no real relevance.
Somehow, the structure of the four dimensional mass of neurons that exists between 'birth' and 'death' magically gives rise to an emergent property called consciousness, which appears as a 3d dynamic entity within the fixed 4d world. I am this entity, and I seem to be a temporal ordering of this 3d viewpoint. But at the far end of this ordering (that that we call death), there is no 'time' that races off into the future, leaving my 'existence' behind. Everything just is, as it alwasy 'is' been. Perhaps, from my 3d persepctive, this ordering never ceases, and I just go round again?
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cavediver
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Message 37 of 103 (457796)
02-25-2008 3:38 PM
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02-25-2008 3:29 PM


And free thinkers aren't like religious people. They don't claim to know ultimate truths.
You've not spent much time at IIDB, have you?

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