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Author Topic:   What do atheists think of death?
onifre
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Message 28 of 103 (457774)
02-25-2008 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by fgarb
02-24-2008 8:22 PM


Next, cosmology has not restricted the size of the universe with any certainty as far as I know. If the universe is extremely large (unimaginably larger than the visible universe), somewhere in it these molecules will form themselves into the proper arrangement to be *you*. This would even happen if the only way for it to occur was by the random motions of molecules bumping into each other, although it would be much more likely to develop through evolution on an earth-like planet somewhere else. The probability for this to happen is astronomically small, but not zero.
I would argue that it is zero. Even in an infinite space, which can't be explained at the moment, the probability is out of the question. One, this would prove that life and all that that involves is predictable, which it's not. And two, if you believe in a Diety, it would remove the personal God that all faiths share. This hypothosis of yours poses a problem for both theist and atheist but, I rather enjoy it. I would agree that 'you' somewhere else is still 'you' experiencing life subjectly. This is a great idea but something fit for a sci-fi movie rather than science. Nothing is predictable, especially the galaxy we are in, the planet we inhabit, the species that have walked on it, the meteors that have caused extictions, and the species that have survived(us being part of that). I don't see how you can draw a senerio where this could be remotely probable to happen identically the same.
Personally I don't think theres a possibility of life after death simply because we have what we refer to as a "consciousness", its a by product of our brain which is one of many organs in our bodies, not to mention that we share the same type of organ with many species. I don't think theres anything special in any one particular species that gives it eternal life, especialy if the idea of eternal life was proposed simply because of a lucky evolutionary draw that grew an organ to the point of being able to postulate it(life after death). It simply doesn't make sense.

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onifre
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Message 40 of 103 (457848)
02-25-2008 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by bluegenes
02-25-2008 1:38 PM


Sounds a bit of a waste, as it would be indifferent to the privilege, but it does show a charming lack of elitism amongst some human cultures that live close to nature.
As oppose to those who deplete it because of a sense of hierarchy.
What I was refering to was mans quest for eternity rather than all animals quest for eternity. Im sure in these eternal worlds peope never picture a dog with them, but why not?
A species is a species, no one better than the other. But it is a man made idea(eternity), I don't think animals believe in it, and therefore falls under the catagory of ALL the things we've been able to imagine but not really have much proof for.
Thats why I said that a lucky draw on our evolutionary tree gave us a brain with the capacity to postulate a post life world which many believe was part of our darwinian evolution that gave us reason to progress, rather than stay as hunter gatherers. So to the question of eternal life I would say: "first prove God exists, then we'll talk".
Oh and its cool about the on(fire) thing everyone does that.
Edited by onifre, : To add onfire comment.

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onifre
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Message 47 of 103 (458555)
02-29-2008 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by fgarb
02-26-2008 12:35 AM


Just remember that in an infinite universe, everything with a non-zero probability will happen an infinite number of times
From what I understand your arguement to be is that if there were infinite universes theres a probability that there will be another me, another you, another Bono obnoxiously caring about the enviroment etc., basically a complete replica of our current universe down to the very last detail(example: you and me talking about this in some far off universe). Ok. I will concede that if there are infinte universes there are endless possibilities of what laws will govern those universes however, I don't see why, if given infinte amounts of time to develop, it would replicate. If we were counting to infinty at what point would the numbers start to repet? I think never right? So why would the universe repet a process when it has an infinte amount of ways it can turn out. As I understand it, parallel universes can be governed by completely different laws than ours, how many possible laws can there be? An infinte amount? Therefore, theres no reason to conclude that, if given infinte amounts of time to develop and there are infinte amounts of ways by which it can develop, that the process at any point would have to replicate another you or me or Bono, the outcomes are endless.
This is my understanding of it and of your arguement, if I misunderstood please clarify.

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onifre
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Message 52 of 103 (458645)
03-01-2008 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Recon3rd
03-01-2008 8:07 AM


Re: Kill
Hi Recon3rd,
I'm just wondering if the people who do not believe in a higher power like God would mind if someone killed one of their loved ones.
First to answer your question yes I would mind but, i'll ask a question to you too. Why would a disbelief in gods (Zues, Apollo, Ra, Allah) make you less likely to 'mind' if somone killed a loved one or even a coworker or your neighbor?
Is it wrong to kill another human?
Apparently the only time its justified is when you are killing them in the name of God.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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