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teen4christ
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Message 60 of 103 (461326)
03-24-2008 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Recon3rd
03-24-2008 9:04 AM


Re: Kill
Recon3rd writes
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Why is it ok to kill an animal for sport and not a human?
To many of us, killing an animal for sport is not ok. In fact, I consider it downright immoral.
But notice that it's the evangelical and other religious right that get the most kick out of sport hunting. I just find it ironic that it's always the evil liberal atheists that have fought for animal interests.
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I would think that if there is no God and we evolved from whatever, how is our life more important than another species.
If there is no God, human life is more important than other species because we say so. I'm sure when we finally make contact with another alien race, which ever race is more advance will say that its members' lives are more valuable than the other. We need not look far to see this, in fact. The Europeans did declare that the lives of white christians were more valuable than the native american heathens.
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Is the reason you would mind if someone killed a loved one of yours, YOUR love? So it's only wrong because YOU love them?
It is wrong for its own sake.
You seem to imply that the reason it is wrong to murder another human being is because God says so. This is the mentality of a child. When I was little, my mommy forbid me to hit other kids. Back then, I couldn't understand why. But since my mommy threatened me with punishment, I never hit other kids. When I grew up, I began to realize that hitting other people was wrong in it self. I began to have principles.
Recon3rd, if the only reason you live a moral life is because God says so, you are effectively living like a child with a child's mentality. Real adults have principles. Real adults can see the difference between good and evil. Real moral adults don't need the threat of a vengeful God to live moral lives.
PS I speak as a believer.

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teen4christ
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Posts: 238
Joined: 01-15-2008


Message 68 of 103 (461581)
03-26-2008 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Recon3rd
03-26-2008 5:55 AM


Re: Kill
Recon3rd writes
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To many, killing an animal for sport is ok. I have no problem with it. I just don't see the point.
Many Christians I know usually complain that other people just don't stand up to their moral standards. Here is an example where a Christian's moral standard is considered lacking by the evil atheist side.
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Because we say so, who are we to say so? Why are humans so special and why is human life more important than other life?? When we finally make contact with an alien race Oh you mean like the little alien men people have supposedly have seen. Did you ever stop and wonder why the alien always resembles a human? If you're an evolutionist you can't believe this can you? History shows men have been killing each other as far back as history knows. Men use any excuse to kill other men.
You always purposely miss other people's points like this?
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I guess you grew up in a white suburb all safe and secure because if you had grown up in place where you have to fight or hit others to survive it sure as hell is ok. Mommy threated you with punishment if you disobeyed her, if she had sat you down and explained why it was wrong would that have done the same thing for you or was it just the fear of the punishment? So what you learned as a child formed your principles or is it your mommy's principles that you learned?
You always purposely miss other people's points like this?
The hitting other kids was simply an analogy to demonstrate that there are moral values we as human beings can come to without the aid of a vengeful God watching over our shoulders.
Another example is slavery. For thousands of years, it was perfectly fine to enslave other people. Religion had no problem with it. Humanity had to wait for the Age of Reason to come to realize that slavery was evil. The realization of human right didn't spawn from religious revelation. It came directly from human reason. To attribute the idea of human right to religion or the worship of God is plagarism.
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Yet you needed the threat of mommy punishing you so you wouldn't hit other kids.
Because I was a child. I was incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong. Unless you are suggesting that this child-like mentality stays with us throughout our lives, I see no point in having a vengeful God watching over our shoulders to keep us in line.
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How do you know what type of life I lead?
I never claimed to know. However, I do get the impression from your subtle implications that you believe morals come from belief in God. Unfortunately for you, history disagrees with you on this.
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Real adults have their own principles, not all real adults can distinguish good vs evil.
Yes, and we call these adults who can't distinguish between good and evil sociopaths.
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Real moral adults is there such a thing when morality, as pointed out by the oncoming train, is subjective to each of us?
Whether moral is subjective or not, I think, is less of an issue as realizing what's moral and what's immoral. I know this statement doesn't make any sense, but that's the best I've got right now. I'm sure I'll come up with something less nonsensible later on.
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A believer in what?
A believer in what Christ symbolizes. A believer in beyond faith belief in Christ.

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teen4christ
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Posts: 238
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Message 69 of 103 (461582)
03-26-2008 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Recon3rd
03-26-2008 6:09 AM


Re: Kill
Recon3rd writes
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If all life is related then why would it be ok to kill one form over another form?
All computers are related to each other. They came from the same engineering idea. They all are made of the same stuff. They all share the same language. And yet we place different values on them.
The notion that just because two things are somehow remotely related therefore they should equal in value is rediculous.

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