Probability of the existence of God

Such pedantry!

But Thomas stuck his finger in Jesus' side....I don't think Jesus was referring to sight and sight alone when he refers to 'not seeing'.Even in modern usage of the word we might say that someone "saw for themself" when referring to some other sense that they used. To me, it just doesn't seem to be what Jesus is saying.I believe that those who don't see yet believe come to believe by faith. Their faith is what allows them to believe in the absense of evidence, but the faith, itself, is not the evidence. It can't be the evidence because then we have the circular definition. I understand the definition, I just don't subscribe to it because that isn't how it works for me personally.Also, if faith is the god supplied cause, and some people are without faith (not by choice) then god has let them down. I just don't see faith as being that way. It isn't for me, at least.Faith isn't some stuff that provides me with the reason to believe. I believe without reason because I have faith. I don't need a reason if I have faith. But my faith is not my evidence for believing, its a lack of evidence. And that counters what I understand Jesus' teaching to be about having faith in the absense of evidence as being blessed. But man cannot control what he finds convincing and what he doesn't. I can't just choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

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27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

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Seems you don't know what pedantry is.

Ugh....John 20:

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27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

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Oh but it doesn't say that he actually did it You, yourself, on this forum, have added a lot more to less with that crap about Gen 2 being in between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, or whatever it was, so don't give me this crap about what the Bible actually says. From wiki

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A pedant, or pædant, is a person who is overly concerned with formalism and precision, or who makes a show of learning.

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The term is typically used with a negative connotation, indicating someone overly concerned with minutiae and detail and whose tone is perceived as condescending.

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However some people take pride in being a pedant, especially with regard to the use of the English language

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Or the use of the Bible....

Like the truth that Thomas didn't touch Jesus? But you could be wrong....And how do you know that it isn't Satan disguised as the Holy Spirit giving you false interpretations to lead you astray?

Whoops, I misunderstood that point but its clear now. Yes, yes whatever. Lets just discuss from a Biblical standpoint, ok?I’m reposting the passages in question for clarity . Hebrews 11:

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1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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From John 20:

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27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

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28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

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29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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The way Jesus talks of faith doesn't seem to fit with the Hebrews definition...How did Thomas get faith by seeing Jesus if faith is the evidence for things that are not seen?Thomas’s evidence for his belief is not his faith, he only gets his faith after he gets the physical evidence, and the physical evidence is what allowed him to believe.Jesus says that those who are blessed {as opposed to the blessed } are the ones that believe without seeing (ie evidence). If you are going to equate faith with evidence, then you are believing by seeing... Jesus doesn't explicitly say that you are unblessed, but the implication is there.

Then the same could be said about the definition provided by Hebrews....Faith itself isn't a substance, they were talking about believing To me, it seems like you are the one doing the altering