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sr Inactive Member |
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I already knew that the Gita is based on an actual ancient battle that was extremely bloody, and I had read a discussion on Gandhi's interpretations of the Gita (getting non-violence from such a violent writing). ____________________ Yes, you are right in your premise, as Gita is taken as a historical report and not merely as a sacred text. Gita is part of Mahabharata that is a very large narrative on historical facts. Gita is spoken by Krishna, and Krishna is considered as an avatara of Brahman, that's to say, Krishna was an incarnation of Brahman himself and Arjuna's master (guru). Gandhi, as well as most of the Hindus schools of thought, was following his life according to Gita's teachings. Better saing, according to the inferences that he has done on Gita's instructions. Karma (action) is one of the greatest points of that dialog between Krisha and Arjuna and himsa/ahimsa is but one of the many aspects of karma. Krishna's thesis is that karma should be surpased, as well as religion itself (dharma). And Gita's verse 18.66 (sarva dharma paritiaja...) is taken by all schools as Gita's final conclusion on karma and dharma. In fact Gandhi was seeking after a balance between violence and non-violence, as the British raj in India was a quite violent period for India, where dharma was disturbed by the strong barbarism of the so-called Western civilisation. So, Gandhi has offered ahimsa to that himsa and he finaly could get the fruits. Like all karmic fruits, these were bad and good, sweet and sour, because karma itself is always dual. So, Gandhi could get independence and division, victory and murder, freedrom and more poverty, as karma can only generate more karma...
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote:By modern science I mean the state of science today. No scientist in his/her right mind would suggest that we already know everything there is to be known. quote:That clears it up then. As a former believer, I am well aware of the post hypnotic directives against trying to explain "the mysteries of God." db ------------------"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."
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sr Inactive Member |
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I find all three understandings of the term (God) revealed in the Bible ___________________________ Yes, you are employing the understanding of god given by that scripture, that is the understanding of a religion's god. A dual being who makes a fragile creation and is trying to manage it. But there are some other understandings on god and according to them, that supreme being is a non-dual substance who is far beyond futile things like to create and to manage material worlds like ours. That supreme being is the ultimate reality itself and he is the four stages of consciousnes, beyond the three phases of time (present, past, and future) and existing at the ether of of everyone's heart. That Absolute Truth cannot be attained by any sort of religion or creed as he is already there at the soul and eternaly that soul himself. Many are seeking after that Soul of soul, trying to reach that Self of self whose understanding is not revealed by texts like Bible...
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: That's all I mean to object to ... I think there are likelysome aspects of the universe that current scientific knowledge cannot cover, but that future discoveries, techniques, and theories will open these 'supernatural' phenomena to us. I think we probably agree ... just got tangled up in a slightmis-understanding over the words used to express it.
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Pogo Inactive Member |
Everytime I come here, I learn something new; that is a very good thing!
DoctorBill, you have put into words what I have never heard anybody say. As a former believer, I was led away by actually reading the bible and discovering that I could not take it literally; unless I wanted to throw out everything I knew about science. However, what were those experiences that I attributed to God? I believe that there are rational explanations for most if not all; it sure felt like I was 'baptized in the Holy Spirit' when it happened... I'll say this; I am now not sure of anything now, but I refuse to abandon common sense, totally suspend disbelief and/or stop thinking for myself. Maybe the bible is a way to lead us to the "Truth", and is not to be taken literally; maybe our minds rationalize our actions (or beliefs) after the event happens. Perhaps the greatest evidence of the supernatural would be if the biblical god were to manifest himself (herself) to the world, to scientists and to historians.That would pretty much solve everything.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Pogo wrote:
quote:Thank you. It is good to know that there are others out there, like yourself, who have had similar experiences. quote:An interesting thought. I'm not sure how that would play out. On the subject of supernatural things, you may find these thoughts interesting. http://www.sun-day-school.us/heaven-and-nature.htm Hang in there Pogo. I really envy the handle. You must have gotten it years ago, eh? db ------------------Are you a Sunday School graduate?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes:
Um, no. The Jews were not dispersed worldwide and they did not return in the latter days. It would take over a thousand years before Jews made it across the ocean and the creation of Israel is hardly an example of prophecy being fulfilled since it was created at the hands of the British. The timeline of the global dispersal is irrelevant. What is prophetically relevant is that Israel became occupied by Gentile nations, remaining so as a wasteland for over nineteen centuries.
Rrhain writes: That's not dispersal. That's emigration. The two are not the same. Call it what you want. They eventually became globally dispersed to the nations, including the then undiscovered West, as so many prophets including OT and Jesus prophesied. The scientific evidence of the reliability of the Biblical record has become observable. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The last post in this thread before you zombied it Buzz, was 2003.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Truthlover,in message#1 writes: I too have been a witness to unexplained phenomenon in my own apartment. I'll not bother to talk about it though...its time to let the scoffers have their world. Once they become victims of human nature unleashed..once the world becomes so competitive that people will fight for position, once the secular humanists find out that logic, reason, and reality dont lead to altruism through human will alone....then and only then will people seek God. They will, sadly, create their own humanist version....I hope they can share what little wealth remains on this planet.
I told some people on this web site that I've seen evidence for the supernatural. Not necessarily repeatable, testable evidence, but certainly court room type evidence, where you listen to witnesses.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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I too have been a witness to unexplained phenomenon in my own apartment. I'll not bother to talk about it though...its time to let the scoffers have their world. Once they become victims of human nature unleashed..once the world becomes so competitive that people will fight for position, once the secular humanists find out that logic, reason, and reality dont lead to altruism through human will alone....then and only then will people seek God. They will, sadly, create their own humanist version....I hope they can share what little wealth remains on this planet.
WTF??Maybe you need to take a look at your avatar. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Chapter and Verse Buz. Please give us the Chapter and Verse for your alleged prophecies.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I too have been a witness to unexplained phenomenon in my own apartment. Everybody has, or just about everybody. But unexplained does not mean 'supernatural'. The rest of your post would lead us off topic very quickly.
its time to let the scoffers have their world. I think skeptic is the preferred term and as a general rule, we're perfectly happy to share it with the credulous.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Phat writes: I too have been a witness to unexplained phenomenon in my own apartment. I'll not bother to talk about it though...its time to let the scoffers have their world. Once they become victims of human nature unleashed..once the world becomes so competitive that people will fight for position, once the secular humanists find out that logic, reason, and reality dont lead to altruism through human will alone....then and only then will people seek God. They will, sadly, create their own humanist version....I hope they can share what little wealth remains on this planet. Phat, my friend, like Truthlover admitted, personal evidence doesn't cut it for scientific evidence. I've had, over my 60 plus years as spiritual born Christian, enough personal experience to write a book and to empirically prove to me that the Biblical record is reliable and that the Biblical god, Jehovah exists. I do expect anyone other than myself to apply that as scientific evidence that Jehovah exists. I must be able to cite physical observable phenomena in order to debate evidence of the supernatural. This I do, knowing full well, that most will go to any length in denying the fact, so as to consider themselves unaccountable to a higher power. Any objectively honest person cannot deny many fulfilled corroborative, observable fulfilled prophecies cited by me as evidence supportive to the existence of a higher intelligence than we experience on our itty bitty planet in the unsearchably (self explanitory Buzism adjective) immense and unsearchably complex Universe. Edited by Buzsaw, : eliminate a word for clarity Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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What is prophetically relevant is that Israel became occupied by Gentile nations, remaining so as a wasteland for over nineteen centuries. Um, there actually was a burgeoning civilization in Israel between the fall of the nation of Israel and its recreation at the hands of the British; the people of that civilization are called "Palestinians": Hardly a "wasteland." Actually, it had always been a fertile and productive land over those 19 centuries of the Jews not having stolen it yet.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Tangle writes: The last post in this thread before you zombied it Buzz, was 2003. That's right, Tangle. The reason I decided to bump this thead forward is that over the past 9 years I've learned a lot as to what is factual, what is scientifically observable and what is acceptable for effective debate here at EvC. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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