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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Whatever, Subbie. I'm just telling you what the man says he will implement for the US of A. Haven't you listened to his repetitive logo, that he will CHANGE America?
You have to commend the man, nonetheless. He's at least for-warning America as to what to expect under his regime. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Quite honestly, I'm hard pressed to imagine how anyone who grew up in this country and has even an inkling of how our government works could begin to believe that Obama would have any chance at all of doing half the things that you seem to think he's going to do. This country is not a dictatorship. The President's actual powers are limited, and just about anything that he can do can be undone by Congress, or by the Supreme Court if it's outside his power.
What's more, I'm quite certain that Obama knows this. He'd have to be a blithering idiot to think that he'd be able to do those things as President. And, whatever you think of his politics, you have to admit he's not a blithering idiot. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Subbie, friend, no; for sure, Obama is no idiot. Like Hitler, he's a master charismatic minipulator/orator who can present himself as all things to all men. With Palosi and Co, all Obama things are possible to change America from the US of A into the American Socalist Regime. (ASR).
Edited by Buzsaw, : correct Palosi spelling BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
No Buz, friend, it's not possible for him to succeed at those things. Not as long as we have paranoid fearmongers protecting our liberty.
:sigh: Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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QED99 Junior Member (Idle past 5727 days) Posts: 4 From: Kansas City, MO Joined: |
Oh please. All this, "He's a Muslim", He's a socialist" rhetoric is simply a red herring, so ridiculous even on the surface that no informed person can possibly take it seriously. The truth is that fundamentalists soaked in religious dogma are actually slobbering at the chance that McSame will get the opportunity to appoint enough godsmacked neo-cons to the Supreme Court to overturn current rulings on the Establishment Clause. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors...
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Subbie, friend, no; for sure, Obama is no idiot. Like Hitler, he's a master charismatic minipulator/orator who can present himself as all things to all men. With Palosi and Co, all Obama things are possible to change America from the US of A into the American Socalist Regime. (ASR). I'm sorry, did you just compare Obama to fucking Hitler? And as usual, you've insisted that Obama's "bad" because his policies are "socialist" without describing how they are socialist or why that would be bad. And I assure you, people in actual socialist countries would laugh at the idea that any of Obama's policies are "socialist." And as a quality of life measurement, I'd be very happy to live in most of the European socialist countries.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
QED99 writes: Oh please. All this, "He's a Muslim", He's a socialist" rhetoric is simply a red herring, so ridiculous even on the surface that no informed person can possibly take it seriously. Hi QED99. Welcome to EvC. If this is so much of a red herring, you surely should have no problem in substantiating your claim by stating your reasons why it's a red herring. Please educate us all on the www here. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rahvin writes: And as usual, you've insisted that Obama's "bad" because his policies are "socialist" without describing how they are socialist or why that would be bad. Rahvin, did you even read my message in this very thread regarding his socialism before posting your personl attack? Edited by Buzsaw, : correct link BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
quote: Rahvin, did you even read my message in this very thread regarding his socialism before posting your personl attack? You mean this one?
1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part. The bare assertion that Obama's voting record has been "socialist" without demonstrating in what way his positions are socialist? The implication that "socialist = bad" in all circumstances? You mean when you did exactly what I said you did?
2. When he did't vote the leftist POV he simply refused to vote whenever a leftist vote would be unpopular for his political ambitions. And this is different from any other politician...how?
3. His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. He has mastered the ability to be all things to all men that he might win the maximum. A good example of this is his statement on the 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms. His statement was that he knew what he believed about the 2nd Amendment and that he knew it guaranteed the right to bear arms. What he didn't tell America is what he thought about the 2nd Amendment or whether he agreed to it. Nor did he say whether he would honor it as stated or interpret it as gun owners interpret it. Oh! Would you look there! More accusations of "socialism" without substantiating how his policies are socialist, with yet more insinuations that "socialist" policies are "bad" in all circumstances! And then you tack on a "he answered the question, but didn't specifically say he'd support the 2nd Amendment!" I know Jesus himself would need to come down and tell you that Obama is neither socialist nor Muslim, but Christ! Do you even know what socialism is?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Hi QED99. Welcome to EvC. If this is so much of a red herring, you surely should have no problem in substantiating your claim by stating your reasons why it's a red herring. Please educate us all on the www here. Because a presidential candidate's religion is compeltely irrelevant to his candidacy, unless you're a racist idiot like you, Buz. Because accusations of "socialism" have been thrown around since the McCarthy era, and if you can't present a reasoned rebuttal of specific positions a candidate has beyond "zomg socialist!" then such accusations are similarly irrelevant.
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QED99 Junior Member (Idle past 5727 days) Posts: 4 From: Kansas City, MO Joined: |
You've been given pages and pages of substantiation. Don't play coy and pretend this is a new thread. It's too red-herring-like. Really.
Then you pull a Ben Stein. Like no one would notice. Playing the Hitler card is always the last gasp of desperation. But go ahead, have at it. You do it wrong sooo well.
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Shield Member (Idle past 2891 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Shortly after your post, didnt i ask you to explain what he has done thats "socialistic"?
You can find all bills he ever sponsored or voted on here:http://thomas.loc.gov/ Please, point us to his socialist past. Edited by rbp, : Link Fixed
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Link doesn't work. Can you fix it?
Please, no replies to this message. Adminnemooseus
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: Subbie, friend, no; for sure, Obama is no idiot. Like Hitler, he's a master charismatic minipulator/orator who can present himself as all things to all men. With Palosi and Co, all Obama things are possible to change America from the US of A into the American Socalist Regime. (ASR). Hate and fear, the two horns of the golden calf. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Obama is no idiot. Like Hitler, he's a master charismatic minipulator/orator *choke* err, Buz, are you now so demented that you are comparing Obama to Hitler ??? I'm sorry, Buz, it's rude to laugh at someone in your condition - but don't worry, we're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you
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