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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
I already understand your viewpoint, what I dont understand is how you can say
Biblical Creationists get their beliefs from the Bible, and scientific experiments confirm their beliefs. and yet fail to actually come up with a single example of an experiment confirming those beliefs. [This message has been edited by Wounded King, 08-08-2003]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Responder four; I apologize since I misunderstood your tone. You have given your definition of natural selection, yet I feel it is incomplete. It's "Crashfrog", please. Using my name will help me know when you're talking to me.
Darwin’s theory of Natural Selection You're wrong right off the bat. Natural selection isn't a theory. It's an observation that explains why organisms don't reproduce at random, but rather, better-adapted organisms leave more offspring. That's it. Everything else you're talking about is evolution, aka "Darwinism", of which natural selection is a part. You could get your terms right, at least. You still haven't addressed what thought process replaces observed phenomenon, like natural selection, with unobserved, made-up stories about supernatural entities. Cretainly not a rational one.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'and yet fail to actually come up with a single example of an experiment confirming those beliefs.'
Here's an experiment. have true faith and see if it makes a difference. However you must first BELIEVE in order to have this faith.lol.Your experiment can be a 'prayer' if you like. if you totally believe, yes TOTALLY, I think you will get the proof you seek. But do you seek it? And will you dare to believe? It's not very scientific but it is an experiment! lol
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Here's an experiment. have true faith and see if it makes a difference. However you must first BELIEVE in order to have this faith.lol. You mean, you have to convince yourself of what you're trying to prove so that you can see the proof? How does that make any sense? Here's an experiment for you - believe in evolution. There, see? Proof of evolution! After all, you believe, don't you? Circular reasoning at it's finest.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Not really because evolution is just theory, when I pray I know I can get a response. Thats what I meant. I can see admitting to God being real, fully in ones mind might be a problem , hence ..lol.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
when I pray I know I can get a response. But I prayed. I didn't get a response. And this was when I really, truly believed in God. How come it works for you and not for me?
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joz Inactive Member |
Cos God hates you Crash.....
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
No God doesn't hate you Crash (or was it you who said that lol). However he might have foreseen your path to the dark side (evolution)-lol , a joke by the way.
I guess in your experiment God failed(in your mind), personally though I think it must have been your unbelief. But dont worry too much, I'm still praying for you ! lol!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
personally though I think it must have been your unbelief. What, my future unbelief? Remember I totally believed at the time. So, was God punishing me because I wasn't going to believe in him in the future? That hardly seems fair, does it? Especially because I stopped believing because of unanswered prayers (among other things.) [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-08-2003]
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Ever heard the one about the seed that did not find good ground. Those who believe but then go back to unbelieving.
Are you sure you fully believed at the time ? lol
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Crash , if your ever in real trouble, ask Jesus for help. I would not tell you this unless I have had experience. I have , and he does help. Even if you think he doesn't exist if you ask for help, I promise if your sincere he will help- doesn't matter what you've done wrong or said, you can still ask!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wiz responds to crashfrog:
quote: He did, mike. Didn't you read his post?
But I prayed. I didn't get a response. And this was when I really, truly believed in God. How come it works for you and not for me? What part of "I prayed" don't you understand? What part of "I really, truly believed in God" don't you understand? Why is it that it works for you and not for crash? It can't be a question of faith because crash had it. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Ever heard the one about the seed that did not find good ground. Those who believe but then go back to unbelieving. But I'd never not believed. But I wasn't one of those people that believed out of habit, though. Basically I believed as strongly as you do. Anyway the fact that the Bible says things like this is what suggests to me it may all be a sham - that the authors of the bible may very well have understood what a huge pill they were asking people to swallow, and thus anticipated the responses of people just a little more reasonable than the majority of believers.
Are you sure you fully believed at the time ? Yeah, pretty sure. And who would know better than me?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I will ignore Rhain as he has taken parts of the story, AGAIN.
'Basically I believed as strongly as you do.' I would believe you, but I don't because if you did believe as much as I do , you would still believe now. My point is, I have heard the word (the seed) and I have kept on believing. So how could your belief be as strong, mine has withstood things like 'evolution' e.t.cI don't believe God 'does not exist' because of such things as what happened with you. As God says if it does not happen it is the 'unbelief' which most certainly does shine through in your case, as you DONT believe!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I would believe you, but I don't because if you did believe as much as I do , you would still believe now. Ah, but remember, I only stopped believing because God wasn't answering prayer. Up till I noticed that I had no idea I was going to becomne atheist. I expected to be a believer all my life. See, you can't judge me at the time for what I was going to do in the future. At the time I believed as strongly as you because I planned to believe forever. But it was God's own actions - or the lack of them - that made me stop believing. Anyway, you either believe or you don't. You can't half-believe. So "believing strongly" is really rather meaningless. Given two persons of faith, identical in every way on the exterior, what test would you use to determine which had the stronger belief? If you have to wait for one of them to stop believing, then there's no test that can tell a strong belief from a weak belief at any given instant.
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