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RAZD
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Message 49 of 327 (500497)
02-26-2009 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Peg
02-26-2009 6:16 AM


the kaleidoscope problem
Hi Peg,
My simple mind at work here, but how can there be design without a designer???
Is a water molecule something that is designed? At first glance it is just a rather unremarkable chemical, not even a pretty molecule, compared to the intricate patterns of other molecules. However it is one with some rather unique characteristics, several of them important to life as we know it, and without water being water life would not be like what we know as life - if it existed at all.
... how can there be design without a designer???
The pattern of a snowflake is individually intricate and symmetrical in several different ways, yet this is a result of the interaction of air, temperature and water molecules, those same water molecules necessary for our form of life.
Crystals often occur when water is extracted from minerals solutions, such as salt and sugar crystals, and these too have intricate patterns based on the atomic and molecular characteristics of the minerals in question.
Are we looking at design or the result of natural processes that occur time and again without any "touch" to get them going.
When we look through a kaleidoscope we see a pretty design, however when we look at the other end and inside, we see that it is a random jumble of irregular bits and pieces, and the cause of the pattern is the mirrors through which these bits are viewed.
Does that pattern really exist or is it a product of the way the bits and pieces are viewed?
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : unremarkable

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Message 51 of 327 (500506)
02-26-2009 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
02-26-2009 7:42 PM


Re: the kaleidoscope problem
Hi Buz,
The kaleidoscope was designed and manufactured/created in such a manner to produce the desired effect of the designer. The same goes with the snowflakes.
So we are living in a house of mirrors, illusions made to appear as something else?
Enjoy.

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Message 69 of 327 (501601)
03-06-2009 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Taq
03-06-2009 10:27 PM


Re: Nested Hierarchy and the Amnesiac Designer
Welcome to the fray, Tag.
For a single designer, amnesia or Alzheimer's is the only explanation.
I beg to differ. There is always another option
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Message 187 of 327 (505894)
04-19-2009 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Coyote
04-18-2009 9:29 PM


subterfuges and other intended results
I can see intelligent design as a subterfuge, a lie, "designed" to sneak creationism back into the schools.
That is the original purpose. A secondary purpose is that people, possibly Tony included, are hoodwinked into thinking there is a serious program to investigate the idea/s scientifically, because it has to be scientific if it is going to get into science class. These are people who don't know it is a subterfuge, and believe the core proponents are honestly pursuing science, rather than just more apologetics.
Of course an unintended result could be that people actually start doing science, and discover that the concepts don't measure up.
Enjoy.

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