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Buzsaw

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Message 50 of 327 (500501)
02-26-2009 7:42 PM

Reply to: Message 49 by RAZD
02-26-2009 7:24 PM

Re: the kaleidoscope problem

RAZD writes:

When we look through a kaleidoscope we see a pretty design, however when we look at the other end and inside, we see that it is a random jumble of irregular bits and pieces, and the cause of the pattern is the mirrors through which these bits are viewed.

Does that pattern really exist or is it a product of the way the bits and pieces are viewed?

The kaleidoscope was designed and manufactured/created in such a manner to produce the desired effect of the designer. The same goes with the snowflakes. All are said to be different. So far as we know, like the fingerprint, no two match perfectly. Imo, only by intelligent design could this be possible.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 54 of 327 (500656)
02-28-2009 11:33 PM

Reply to: Message 53 by Rrhain
02-28-2009 1:22 AM

Rrhain writes:

Is there anything that happens on its own or is god required for everything?

God created one man from the dust. Then he created one woman from the rib of man and ?. From there he advocated how man should live. Free will pretty much determined where man would go from there. Nevertheless, divine providence worked to insure the survival and welfare of the human race and the planet at large.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 55 of 327 (500657)
02-28-2009 11:41 PM

Reply to: Message 52 by bluescat48
02-27-2009 12:23 AM

Re: the kaleidoscope problem

bluescat writes:

If snow flakes were designed they would be all alike.

Perhaps then, as man created the kaleidescope to create symmetrical designs, so God designed the process of crystallization of snowflakes to make symmetrical designs as observed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 58 of 327 (501002)
03-03-2009 6:34 PM

Reply to: Message 56 by Rrhain
03-01-2009 3:58 AM

God Rested After Creation

Rrhain writes:

"Yes, there are things that happen on their own."

We are not all created by God; none of us alive today or yesterday or last year or last month, last century, last millennium etc have been created by God; not even Noah.

One man, Adam, was created by God. All others have procreated from Adam without God designing or creating each. God's creative work on humans and the species ended on day six of Genesis one. Thus the sabbath rest as God rested on the seventh day.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 62 of 327 (501400)
03-05-2009 11:54 PM

Reply to: Message 60 by Percy
03-04-2009 8:02 AM

Source of Contention

Percy writes:

Same reaction as Coyote: all your talk of God and Adam and the sabbath and resting on the seventh day just convinces people that intelligent design is not science but religion.
Advocates of intelligent design must cringe every time you post.

One of your guys prodded me in #53 of this science thread above:

Rrhain writes:

We're back to the question nobody ever answers!

Is there anything that happens on its own or is god required for everything?

I'm damned if I respond and damned if I don't.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 63 of 327 (501402)
03-06-2009 12:12 AM

Reply to: Message 61 by onifre
03-04-2009 12:24 PM

Re: Evidence

onifre writes:

This then begs the question, in keeping with the OP, what then IS the Physical evidence that is consistent with a designer, Buz?

All others have procreated from Adam without God designing or creating each.

Does this mean that currently there is no way to "see" design other than to accept on faith that one particular creation story is accurate?

1. One time sudden design/creation of the species affords limited physical process evidences to cite. Therefor the evidence lies in the corroborative evidences archeological, historical, math probabilities pertaining to complexity, etc supportive to the Biblical record.

Does this mean that there is NO Physical evidence that is consistent with a designer?

A lot of this has been reiterated in other threads corroborating the BR (Biblical record) and supportive to falsification of the secularist mainline non-ID science POV.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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